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TonyHawksPoTater, do games w Zelda Producer Eiji Aonuma Doesn't Really Care About the Series' Chronology
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Neither did Miyamoto though?

morphballganon, do games w Zelda Producer Eiji Aonuma Doesn't Really Care About the Series' Chronology

A creator could see chronology as a limitation, or an opportunity.

The hero of time clearly did a lot in the time between MM and TP (where he appears as the Hero’s Shade). There’s an opportunity to create a game about the hero of time after MM, where he returns to Hyrule, and learns those special skills that he later passes on to the hero of twilight.

Or just come up with something new. Whatever.

TootSweet, do games w Zelda Producer Eiji Aonuma Doesn't Really Care About the Series' Chronology

This is news? We knew this decades ago.

LazaroFilm, do games w Zelda Producer Eiji Aonuma Doesn't Really Care About the Series' Chronology
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No shit…

kinther, do games w Zelda Producer Eiji Aonuma Doesn't Really Care About the Series' Chronology
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I always thought they were parallel universes or the same one on an endless time loop with infinite variations

RTRedreovic,

I prefer to think it as it is named - A Legend. In that each timeline is a different take to narrate that Legend.

FlihpFlorp,

That would make a ton of sense as the legend (beat Ganon) is the same but details and setting change

But I couldn’t help chuckle at mental image of some grandpa telling his kid the legend (the tears of the kingdom version) of making a weaponzied hover bike torturing koroks

FlihpFlorp,

That would make a ton of sense as the legend (beat Ganon) is the same but details and setting change

But I couldn’t help chuckle at mental image of some grandpa telling his kid the legend (the tears of the kingdom version) of making a weaponzied hover bike torturing koroks

7112,

You are correct. The Hyrule Historia outlines the game and the split in Ocarina of Time:

www.zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Timeline

turkalino,
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I always thought it was reincarnation of a group of ideal, godlike people

I don’t think I’ve met a true Zelda fan that cares much about the grand timeline(s), or even argues they make sense

victron, do games w Zelda Producer Eiji Aonuma Doesn't Really Care About the Series' Chronology
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Who does?

Grangle1,

The “timeline” was a big debate in the Zelda fandom/community for a long time until the Hyrule Historia book introduced an “official timeline” that featured a split three-way timeline centered around Ocarina of Time as the source of the split. That was released after Skyward Sword. Breath of the Wild had some discussion about where it fits but wasn’t really seen as too big a deal, then Tears of the Kingdom all but straight up ignored the “timeline” and introduced a new “canon” founding of the Kingdom of Hyrule, which while I’ve long stopped paying attention to the fandom, I could imagine the timeline debate starting all over again. TLDR: some people take video game lore really seriously.

Zahille7,

All you need to do to figure that out is spend literally any amount of time in an Elder Scrolls forum

victron,
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I’m late 30s. Never played a TES game before. I just started Skyrim last night (it’s awesome, btw). I don’t plan to come close to that fandom ever lol

Zahille7,

There’s some good discussion that can come out of it.

But the usual stuff is weird political shitposting, and actual heated political arguments as if any of it really matters.

wildginger,

Ive always found it odd that people having fun trying to establish a games lore is “taking it too seriously.”

God forbid someone have fun the way you dont, I guess?

Grangle1,

Oh, nothing wrong with it. Just pointing out that people put a lot of time and effort into it.

victron,
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As a proud owner of that wonderful book, I get it. But people need to chill; trying to stick to a chronology, an IP almost 40 years old, seriously? That shit would prevent the series to reinvent itself. I think it’s for the best if we all forget about that. It was nice for a while, tho.

GrayBackgroundMusic, do gaming w Lethal Company Gets Hilarious Arachnophobia Mode - IGN

Reminds me of Satisfactory’s version: the spiders are replaced with gigantic, holographic, slightly-glitchy cat heads. It’s incredibly more scary, tbh. The cat head is the size of a large dog, lol. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcAbYczBgsU

Toribor, do games w Zelda Producer Eiji Aonuma Doesn't Really Care About the Series' Chronology
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This seems fine. I don’t understand the desire to have an overarching chronology anyway. It’s pretty clear each game is its own world with little connection to the other series beyond recycling some of the same concepts.

It makes more sense lore-wise to just think of them as entirely separate universes with some direct sequels. Majora’s Mask is a direct sequel that takes place in a canonically different dimension anyway so they already introduced the concept.

Omegamanthethird,
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It’s interesting in the same way people pieced together a story for all of the Pixar movies. But they are just fan theories that are kinda interesting.

radix,
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What’s next, Final Fantasy doesn’t have a canonical timeline?

Maultasche,

We do know that after FF5, Gilgamesh usually visits the other game worlds in release order.

JakenVeina,

The majority if the reason it’s significant is that Nintendo MADE it significant, by releasing that “official” timeline tying all the gamrs together. Then, the made BotW with a whole bunch of direct and indirect references to this timeline, and events in previous games. Then TotK threw pretty much all of that in the garbage.

addie, do games w Zelda Producer Eiji Aonuma Doesn't Really Care About the Series' Chronology
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Which makes perfect sense - none of the previous producers have. Mostly, they’ve just used their stock characters and locations, and made a game that they thought would be fun out of them. There’s a couple of games that qualify as ‘direct sequels’ (Ocarina -> Majora’s, Wind Waker -> Hourglass) but even then, it doesn’t benefit you much to have played the preceding one. Would be weird to try and twist the games into a chronology that strikes me mostly as ‘fanon’ anyway.

frezik,

Nintendo did try that, though, and mixed it around again whenever they felt like it. “New research uncovered that…” blah blah. Better off if they don’t bother anymore.

DoucheBagMcSwag, do gaming w Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League Is Getting an Offline Mode After Release, Rocksteady Confirms - IGN

AFTER release…how convenient

wildginger, do gaming w Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League Is Getting an Offline Mode After Release, Rocksteady Confirms - IGN

Ill probably have lost interest by then, rocksteady. Other games will have come out finished by then that Ill be busy with.

altima_neo, do gaming w Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League Is Getting an Offline Mode After Release, Rocksteady Confirms - IGN
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How the mighty have fallen

bjoern_tantau, do gaming w Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League Is Getting an Offline Mode After Release, Rocksteady Confirms - IGN
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Oh, really? In that case let me pre-order it right away. Of course they will deliver on an empty promise!

trackcharlie, do games w Why Bethesda Responding to Starfield's Steam Reviews Is Part of a Rising Games Industry Trend

“If we gaslight the players into believing it’s a good game, we win” - Bethesda and the rest of this garbage industry, probably

TheSadPineapple, do games w Nintendo Cancels Japanese Esports Events Following Threats to Staff and Spectators

It didn’t say in the article but why the hell are people sending threats? Knowing the types of gamers that send threats it’s probably a really fucking dumb reason, isn’t it?

assembly,

Out of every esports event that could face issues I did not think anyone would be crazy angry about Nintendo. Did someone get blueshelled too many times in Mario Kart? I mean, what would drive people to get intense about Nintendo?

Lanusensei87,
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Smash (specially Melee) has always attracted questionable people. So if it had happened there I wouldn’t be surprised… but this is for Splatoon of all things.

Dudewitbow, (edited )

Specially melee? When the fallout happened, it was significantly more ultimate personalities who were confirmed problematic, mainly due to the fact that someone younger is more likely to have been playing ultimate(melees an over a 20 year old game), which would lead to a higher chance of a negative interaction.

Splatoon also has some animosity towards nintendo as they were also behind the smash scene because they know that nintendo does not ultimately care about them, as caring about them leads to how Arms fizzled out.

spriteblood,

Nintendo games might be very family friendly, but Nintendo as a company has a well-earned negative reputation in a lot of verticals including esports and community events.

The article doesn't clarify where the threats were coming from, so it may be for different reasons. And obv it doesn't justify harassing and threatening random employees though.

ipkpjersi,

Threats are obviously not justifiable and are not okay but Nintendo has been earning a lot of badwill with gamers recently with their decisions to disallow small esport events. They have also aggressively copyright struck videos in the past that realistically just gave their awesome games free advertising but that’s not okay with them, etc

They seem to make a lot of really dumb business and especially community decisions despite making some incredible games. It’s not too surprising some people would feel burned with that.

scrubbles,
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I’m guessing some hyper-triggered gamer who saw there was a girl playing or something equally stupid

TheSadPineapple,

Apparently Nintendo doesn’t let small esport competitions to take place. They want to be the only ones. But at the same time that’s just as dumb a reason to send threats as what you said lol. There is never a good reason to send threats regardless

deegeese,

If they shut down other people’s events I don’t feel so bad that someone shut down theirs.

Son_of_dad,

Probably still mad that Mario’s big booty was shrunk

iAmTheTot,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

anyone who would send a threat has a dumb reason.

IWantToFuckSpez,

It was Sega. Because Sega does what Nintendon’t

PopOfAfrica,

I need to preface this by saying it’s really stupid that anyone’s sending threats, but I think the reason they’re doing it is because Nintendo has made a very hard-line stance against small esport events. You arent allowed to host events without their permission

Grangle1,

Nintendo is my favorite gaming company, but man, their IP lawyers are absolutely vicious. Granted they’re also in Japan, the poster boy for a corporate-owned country (I lived there several years, no joke, if you think big corps run the US you ain’t seen nothing yet) which makes American IP law look like Chinese IP law, but even for a Japanese company, they’re brutal. What I find rather ironic about it is that a measure they took to protect their image and that of their brands from controversy over bad gamer behavior, led to bad gamer behavior directed at them. But either way, to these idiots sending threats, it’s a classic instance of “this is why we can’t have nice things”, ruining even the fun we were allowed to have for everyone and probably making it even less likely that Nintendo will reverse their policy.

Dudewitbow,

To being it a tier higher, id argue South Korea is a tier higher for corporate owned countries.

TheSadPineapple,

Gotcha. I can see why people are upset. But threats? I guess I was right in thinking it was a dumb reason. Nintendo can go fuck themselves for sure. But at the same time if you are the type of person to send threats over trivial bullshit you are still a garbage human.

Zahille7,

I fucking hate gamers, and I am one.

Remember when people started sending death threats to the CDPR over the Cyberpunk delays? People had been spending way too long sucking Witcher 3’s dick so they automatically though CP2077 was gonna be the next game of the decade.

They were right, in a way.

wildginger,

Threats are never justified, but I do see why they did it. “If we cant do it, you cant either” is a pretty common mentality, and this is a surefire way to completely shut down the official events.

The worst bit is now, if nintendo caves at all and pulls back their draconian behavior, these people will count it as a victory achieved via threats and likely encourage their use elsewhere.

AeroLemming,

How can they prevent you from hosting unofficial events? What legal basis do they have for it?

hasnt_seen_goonies,

Depending on your definition of “unofficial”, nothing. But at some point you need to make media to tell people about your tournament, or you want to stream the tournament, and doing either of those without using Nintendo’s copyrighted material/trademarks is impossible.

AeroLemming,

I hate that. Thanks for the response.

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