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F_OFF_Reddit, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

Oh boy the only issue I have is that I’m going to be unstoppable, Ciri is literally a broken main character nearing her full potential.

Bitch can fucking dimension travel, trained in sword and fight by other witchers and IIRC Yennefer trained her in some sort of sorcery arts as well so it’d be like having an OP mix of Geralt+Yennefer

RampantParanoia2365,

I mean, she couldn’t even counterattack in W3.

UpperBroccoli,

Bitch

Why?

warbond,

Is there an interpretation where it means somebody who is shockingly audacious?

Trainguyrom,

Yennefer trained her in some sort of sorcery arts

So I recently devoured the book series and can clarify, she was first trained as a Witcher, then as a sourceress by Yennefer, but after she was teleported into the middle of the desert and tried to use fire as a source of power out of desperation, she gave up all magical abilities as the fire was trying to consumer her. So shes a brilliant swordswoman, has partial Witcher mutation (some of the mutations come from the secret Witcher diet which she was fed at Ker Moren while being trained) and depending on when in the timeline the game takes place she would have incredible reflexes and some interdimensional travel capabilities.

There’s also some really interesting opportunities for storytelling given how Ciri’s background is just soaked in trauma. On that note, I am also curious if they intend to play down the salaciousness for this entry or not. In the books Ciri was definitely curious (and heavily implied to be bi) but remained a virgin, and by the end of the series she was still a minor by modern standards. I want to say she was 16 or so at the end of the last book.

I’m super excited to see where this game goes, because if its worthy of being released after the masterpiece that was The Witcher 3, it’s going to be brilliant

uid0gid0,

Don’t forget the carnivorous unicorns

CrazyLikeGollum,

With regards to Ciri’s age, she’s 21 during the main events in The Witcher 3.

At the end of the books she’s 17.

No idea if they’ll play down the salaciousness or not, but given when the game will likely take place that at least won’t be any issues with the main character being a minor.

vga, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

I didn’t like Witcher 3. I played the main storyline to Skellige and after a while of adventuring there, I just could not bring myself to continue the game.

I’ve read all the books, perhaps that has something to do with it.

phar,

As far as fantasy goes, are the books good?

vga,

Yes, I think so. There’s are interesting large scale trends in the book’s world, and even though the protagonists are powerful beings, they’re forced to mostly just witness and react to the events. The characters are deep and interesting and the overall plot is rewarding.

Neuromorph, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

“Im happy to work with whatever the creative team comes up with.” is that a safe statement, or could that backfire, professionally?

samus12345, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

If a game is deemed “woke” by right-wing shitheads, that’s like a seal of approval for me. Now, the game might still suck, but it’s not because of being inclusive and diverse.

Rose,

If it does “flop”, they undoubtedly would chalk it up to it being inclusive and diverse though. Otherwise they just quickly move on to the next target.

samus12345,

Yup, with movies and games alike if it’s “woke” and flops they always say that’s why, when the truth is it just sucked.

Aux,

It’s a lot easier - if Americans don’t like what Europeans are doing, then it’s a great thing they’re doing!

samus12345,

Plenty of American developers are making “woke” games. This isn’t a country-specific thing. But in general, yes!

Aux,

No one cares about woke bs.

samus12345,

No one who matters does, no. “Woke” is in quotes because it’s a bullshit term.

Aux,

No, woke is bs because it’s an American crap. Remember when CDPR got under fire for not having black characters in Witcher 3?

Here are some links to refresh your memory:

That’s your typical American woke mental diarrhea.

Once again - if Americans are complaining, then Europe is doing the right thing. It doesn’t matter what type of American is complaining.

Iambus,

This is the first I’ve heard of this game being deemed woke.

overload,

Didn’t you hear? Ciri is older and therefore ugly now. The worst offence that a designer could make for a female character.

samus12345,

If a game has a non-white or non-male protagonist, it’s automatically “woke.”

Raxiel, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

Reading is also woke

Hyphlosion,

Well I have had dreams of reading books. They’re weird. Like, I know it’s a dream and the sentences don’t make any sense. But I keep reading it anyways.

zebidiah, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

hot take: i fucking hated the way ciri and every single other woman in witcher3 was written/portrayed…

they all felt like they were written by incels who have never met or conversed with an actual real woman. they were shallow game of thrones/fantasy tropes and felt like walking talking cliches. i literally cringed through every interaction…

mildlyusedbrain,

I get this somewhat but including ciri? I feel like there was none of that with her character. What about her struck you as that?

zebidiah,

she was basically wesley crusher, without the character growth… she was a plot device, not a character.

NotASharkInAManSuit,

“Shut up, Ciri.” - Captain Picard

Kellamity,

And if I’m honest the books are similar. I like them, but all the women are super sexy super hot and they exist for Geralt to have sex with

lingh0e,

These types of comments ignore the fact that Geralt is written in the exact same way.

The “romance” dialog options tend to be god awful.

oyo,

And this also explains why they’ve “grown” her into a plastic, lip-plumped, reality-TV-star banshee. The character model looks awful.

L0rdMathias, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 dev calls Randy Pitchford's $80 Borderlands 4 comments "gross" because it implies the FPS is more important than "making it day to day"

Real fans would find a way to wait for the game to go on sale for $2.

thetrekkersparky, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 dev calls Randy Pitchford's $80 Borderlands 4 comments "gross" because it implies the FPS is more important than "making it day to day"

I haven’t bought full price games in ages. Games are always released half finished now. Wait six months to a year until it goes on sale and they actually finish the game.

AlphaOmega,

I honestly can’t remember the last time I paid full price for a game. Between free amazon prime games, epic games, gog, and steam demos/freebies: I hardly have time to invest in new games.

I used to buy Madden/NBA2k every year up until 2008 or so, now I grab one every five years at $10. Includes all the bugs from the previous version.

I have 1000s of games now and don’t have any time to play them. BG3 is the only game I’m considering spending $40 for.

nfreak,
@nfreak@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ll gladly buy indies, breakout titles with huge reception (BG3, E33 etc), or games from well renowned studios that have yet to let me down. Anything else I’m fine waiting for a sale. With these $80 price tags I don’t see myself buying a AAA title again for a LONG time.

Case,

I felt that way about CyberPunk 2077 and CDPR.

CDPR hadn’t let me down. Yet. Ultimately, they redeemed themselves, sure, but at launch… whew, there were issues.

Game companies CAN redeem themselves. Business wise though? Its hard to recoup that kind of shaken faith in investors, board members, etc; let alone the people you’re actually trying to sell to.

There are so MANY fucking games out there these days, that I’ll look at something new, and decide I don’t like certain elements of the gameplay, and just move on.

If a feature looks more frustrating than fun? I’m good, thanks.

I’ve played hard games on the hardest setting for the challenge. I’ve also played “easy” just to get drunk and enjoy a story.

If it isn’t fun though? Then what am I doing here?

I already spend 8+ hours a day on the computer and hate it, but at least they pay me.

tonywu,

The only game I paid full price in recent years was BG3, because it’s worth it, and the people who worked in the game were worth it.

Seefoo,

yea, but BG3 didn’t release in a complete state. With that said, Larian has delivered on their promise and that’s really a good example of how a AA/AAA title can do early access in a good and healthy way.

BowtiesAreCool, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

You’re not going to play Witcher 4 because of woke Ciri, I’m not going to play because I don’t like the games. We are not the same

boonhet,

You’re not going to play Witcher 4 because you don’t like the games, I’m not going to play because my PC is aging and I feel new GPUs are so ridiculously overpriced, I don’t want to replace my RTX 3060 ti anytime soon.

BowtiesAreCool,

I feel that. Still rocking a 1080. And I’ve got a series s for new releases.

Aux,

I had my 1080 until last month. Enjoying 5080 now!

Honytawk,

For real, the battle mechanics are just so clunky and slow. And the magic is just 5 times the same spell but with different colors.

Not to mention that you are shoehorned into a character that you don’t get to decide, and the NPCs laugh at you if you choose dialogue options that don’t fit this characters mold.

Rather play an actual RPG than this action adventure akin to Tomb Raider.

courval, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

Thanks, I find the winky a much better option than the cold monotonous /s

madjo, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

The reactionary women-hating alt-right gamer-gate neo-nazi losers should just be ignored at this point.

MorningThunder,

To be fair, this post is the first I’ve heard of people upset about it

TheObviousSolution,
@TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee avatar

The thing about them is that they are loud, directed, and often affect the first impression a game gets. If this wasn’t with The Witcher fame, the effect would be more notable, and oftentimes they don’t admit why they really have a problem with the game directly.

Zink,

and oftentimes they don’t admit why they really have a problem with the game directly

I think in many cases they aren’t even admitting it to themselves. Self-delusion is kind of a recurring theme with them.

Dasus,
@Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

“at this point”

You’ve paid attention to them at some point?

NigelFrobisher, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

They should do a Last Of Us prequel with Joel, but he dies in that one too due to time travel shenanigans.

dvlsg,
@dvlsg@lemmy.world avatar

Can we have a Joel from another universe be the one to kill him? Multiverses are so hot right now.

boonhet, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

I’ve never read the books, but… It was clear from game 3 that she was going to play an important role in the future. The entire plot of the main campaign in Witcher 3 was about HER powers. The Wild Hunt wanted her, not Geralt.

Plus also she’s awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can’t enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it’ll ruin my mood!

Honestly I’d rather be looking at a cute girl dashing around than an old man, even if I identify more with the latter. Video games are for exploring things. Fantasy worlds, dragons, wraiths… And the biggest problem with suspending disbelief is playing a character who isn’t the same gender as the player? lmao.

Maybe I’m just not enough of a gamer. Only been two and a half decades or so since I first touched a computer and played games.

el_abuelo,

Tomb Raider. That’s all I’m gonna say.

Tristus,

Tomb Raider is not a woman protagonist game though, at least in the first game they wanted to have Indiana Jones but didn’t got the rights to it. So the developers replaced the assets with a female.

In whole series there is not much that makes her a woman, more like an American gun-maniac guy that looks like a girl.

swelter_spark,
@swelter_spark@reddthat.com avatar

The first game didn’t have much in the way of story. The focus was on the puzzles and adventuring. I don’t think that makes her less of a woman character. In a video game, the assets are the only difference, anyway. Not that women can’t be rough and adventurous and physical and like guns.

el_abuelo,

The protagonist is a woman.

faythofdragons,

I’ve only played Witcher 3, and I thought it was obvious that it’s Ciri’s story being told from the perspective of the supporting cast, and that is an incredibly cool literary device.

boonhet,

Yeah. I haven’t played 1 much beyond the first 10 minutes, was too janky. 2 was mostly focused on the war, with Geralt being the most important character IMO. In 3 he was no longer THE most important character, but he was a close second - out of a large cast of supporting characters that aided them on the way.

Trainguyrom,

Honestly the longform books take a similar approach, telling several very important people’s stories from the perspective of how their stories intertwined with Geralt’s and later Ciri’s

ipkpjersi,

Plus also she’s awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can’t enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it’ll ruin my mood!

That’s what I don’t understand, like, have people not played the Horizon games? They’re awesome, they’re fun as hell.

Glytch,

The main bullshit complaint I’ve seen about the Horizon games boils down to “Aloy doesn’t make my peepee hard”. There are dudes out there who only want to see women they can goon to.

ipkpjersi,

Something tells me their “peepee” never worked to begin with tbh.

CitizenKong,

Also, Tomb Raider. One of the most well known videogame characters is literally an ass-kicking woman.

ipkpjersi,

Yep, I love the Tomb Raider games too, I still play Rise of the Tomb Raider sometimes, it’s such a great game.

boonhet,

have people not played the Horizon games? They’re awesome, they’re fun as hell.

I have actually not. Thank you!

Evotech,

People like Geralt, they like his brooding attitude. Making. Game about ciri means they don’t get a game with Geralt. And they really want another game with him for some reason.

Idk why they blame woke though

Trainguyrom,

Cranky brooding swordsman is kinda a one trick pony. It’s brilliant and hilarious to respond to everything no matter how threatening with just a grunt or dismissive comment, but after 3 major games, it’s time for something else

Evotech,

I agree

Tristus,

I didn’t played the game or read the books but I think if you are playing a game that is called Witcher and the Witcher himself is missing that is a big issue.

Normally you would get a new game with a new title but big companies want to use the IP and think using a known title is always better than coming up with a new title.

As I said I didn’t played Witcher 3 so dunno if it makes sense, but I wouldn’t be surprised if people are unhappy when their main character is missing in the game.

zod000,

I guess if they didn’t read the books, watch the show, or play the most popular and most recent game in the series, then it is fairly reasonable for them to be confused as they won’t know shit.

dgbbad,

Ciri is a Witcher. The Witcher isn’t missing at all.

Demdaru,

I slightly puffed out out the nose in amused manner lol. The Witcher. <_>

It’s literally a job title in-universe. xD

boonhet,

Yeah so others already explained it to you, but I’ll give you a quick summary.

Witcher is kind of a job title, but to get in you pretty much join a cult that gives you mutagens that give you cool powers, but also make you infertile and I believe resistant to STDs (this is why Geralt fucks so much).

Ciri trained with the witchers of the Wolf school. I don’t remember if she went through the mutations or not, but she has elder blood so she’s already more powerful than Geralt. She’s part of an end of the world prophecy. She’s also essentially Geralt’s adoptive daughter.

By the end of Witcher 3, Geralt is getting kind of tired. There’s literally no other Witcher in the universe more deserving to be the next lead than the spacetime manipulating princess who doesn’t even want to inherit her real father’s continent spanning empire because she’d rather be a badass Witcher.

muusemuuse,

I’m trying to remember the first game I played with a female lead and I think it was portal. And that woman didn’t speak. Strangely the next was transistor and she technically didn’t speak either.

boonhet,

Female protags are rare. They used to be epic loot, but it’s getting better now.

I guess it’s Portal for me too. Then Oblivion with a female character with that golden armor from shivering isles for shiny boobs. I was a horny teen and porn was getting boring lol

ynthrepic,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

She is great in the books. One of the most unique characters in fiction imho. CDProjekt did really well adapting the continuation of her story in the games.

theywilleatthestars, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

Everything should be woke actually. If you complain about wokeness I don’t think you deserve to enjoy things

WhatsTheHoldup,

Imo there are two types of “wokeness”.

There is a diverse inclusive story by someone with an underrepresented experience who partially lived that story and has a unique perspective and ideas.

And then there is a “diverse” story constructed by an all white male board of execitives who think “wokeness” is trendy.

Movies like I Saw The TV Glow, Parasite, Sinners, etc are fantastic “woke” stories coming from the former group.

The latter group comes up with stories like “Ghostbusters but all women” or “Oceans 11 but all women” which I think should rightly be criticized.

theywilleatthestars,

The problem with Ghostbusters (2016) didn’t have anything to do with having an all female cast, it was more about the timing of the jokes, the lack of slow quiet scenes to build atmosphere, and the effects being crappy unmemorable CGI

WhatsTheHoldup,

The problem with Ghostbusters (2016) didn’t have anything to do with having an all female cast

That’s what I just said.

If women arent the ones greenlighting these movie, directing them, or even writing the script, how could they possibly be the problem?

I listed a bunch of actually good “woke” media. They were made by a trans and black creators but if you want examples of women being funny look at Veep, the Good Place, 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, etc.

The problem as I pointed out is a predominately white male board member of business grads who feel having an all female cast is all they need to market a movie, so they can skip giving a shit about the product.

it was more about the timing of the jokes, the lack of slow quiet scenes to build atmosphere, and the effects being crappy unmemorable CGI

Because Sony can’t make a movie to save their lives. Look at Morbius, Kraven, Madame Web, etc.

There was a time in the early 00s/10s where society said “any representation is good representation”.

Movies like Black Panther and Get Out were inherently going to do well because they catered to an audience demand that had been long underrepresented.

Nowadays there are actually good movies in competition. We dont have to settle for bad representation. If you want a horror movie that’s an allegory for not transitioning you can watch it, if you want a vampire movie where the vampires are an allegory for racism and white exploitation that’s in theaters right now.

Spotting background character 1 and 2’s gay kiss in Disney’s reboot of Buzz Lightyear feels a lot less exciting to me.

When a bunch of white board members decide to make a movie “for women” and resurrect a dead IP and start forcing a script, that will be inherently more shallow than going to Amy Poehler and asking if she has an idea to pitch.

This is why Marvel succeeded in giving Ryan Coogler a higher degree of creative control for Black Panther than Sony did for any of the female cast in Ghostbusters.

While I’m enjoying diverse films like Sinners and I Saw the TV Glow, if you’re more interested in Disney’s live action remake of The Little Mermaid, or Disney’s live action remake of Snow White, go right ahead and watch it. I’m not saying you can’t.

But the idea you have to “support it” is nothing but marketing. I don’t think you’re really supporting diverse stories, I think you’re supporting corporations who exploit diversity and intentionally rage bait the worst racists imaginable for free marketing instead of investing the areas that you point out would make the movie better.

theywilleatthestars,

Suppose we agree then

TriflingToad, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 dev calls Randy Pitchford's $80 Borderlands 4 comments "gross" because it implies the FPS is more important than "making it day to day"

I bought borderlands 2 the other week and it’s been a blast on my SteamDeck. Unfortunately it seems it’s one of those games that loves to connect online all the time, like it’ll kick me out of single player if it detects wifi and make me reload into… singleplayer, but online. with 0 differences.

I probably would’ve been better off pirating it tbh.

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