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Dark_Arc, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?
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Market share and yes, Proton/WINE ultimately lessens the need for a native Linux port.

In a fair number of cases, even when there is a native Linux port, Proton/WINE has worked better than the native game.

If Linux gets to 5-10% of the market, we’ll probably see them come back for platform specific optimization reasons. However, without a larger market share and with the translation being so good these days, there’s not a lot of need.

zante, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?

Tiny market

SharkAttak,
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Sounds like the title of a cozy indie game 😄

thingsiplay, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?

On Steam store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/, all Linux operating systems combined have around ~2% users, compared to the MacOSX ~1.4%. This is only a recent trend, as for the longest run Mac had more Steam users than before. And building a native Mac game was more straight forward than on Linux.

Nowadays its completely different than before, thanks to Proton integrated into Steam. This means even though there is a higher percentage of Linux players on Steam, there is less reason to make native Linux games. That has some advantages: Windows binary through Proton has feature parity without the devs needing to understand the underlying Linux system and libraries, less work for the developers means higher probability of supporting Linux for longer time, thanks to Proton and the auto selection of Proton version for each game its also less worry for the end user. It does not matter what system libraries you have installed or what operating system you are using.

It would be nice to have, but in reality there is no real need for native Linux games from developers or for the end user / player.

SweetCitrusBuzz, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?
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Because in some cases developers cannot be bothered to click a single button to make it natively run on linux.

Kichae,

It’s not about compiling, it’s about testing and support. Each officially supported version needs to be tested - which means having yet another set of test systems sitting around - and supported by the support team. And not only is Linux a splintered market in its own right, making testing and support a significant operation, but there isn’t the same kind of single-point OS support that you get from Microsoft and Apple.

kbal, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?
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It's more convenient to package things for wine than it is to support every flavour of linux. Being a cross-platform library for games is the one thing the windows API is useful for.

Commiunism, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?

As others have said, tiny market, but also that it often requires more development for the Linux port to get going, and even more development to actually make it run well. Like for instance, Civilization series usually release with Linux and Mac ports, but those are done by a third-party company which I imagine does add additional costs, and those suck regardless.

Not like it’s a bad thing necessarily, the vast majority of native Linux ports I’ve tried were either severely out of date, had significant performance issues, crashed a lot or had some quirks that would make it not worth playing anyway. It’s probably just easier if developers focused on proton compatibility instead.

Ulrich, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?
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Does the existence of Wine compatibility layer discourages the creation of native Linux games?

I’d be surprised if devs weren’t ignoring Linux games in favor of just using Proton. It greatly decreases the required time and effort.

LukeZaz,

This absolutely happens. Team Fortress 2 Classic dropped Linux support outright a few years ago in favor of Proton support since it’s easier on the devs to do, and even as an avid Linux user I don’t blame them.

vrighter, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?

because you can’t just target “linux”. You target a distro. That’s not feasible for any of them to maintain

princessnorah,
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This isn’t entirely true though. Devs could target an AppImage for example.

vrighter,

and i have found appimages that fail to worm due to some dependencies too. This is not a solved prooblem for linux. And no, flatpak isn’t it either

Toes,

I want to add on to that, flatpak even struggles with native Linux games like left4dead2. (Hardly any mods work)

Die4Ever,

yea dependencies seem like a real issue here, I don’t think Linux supports side-by-side versions like Windows does, Windows will just install every version of DirectX and libraries like that

missingno,
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You only need to target the Steam Linux Runtime.

Poopfeast420, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?
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A few devs who did have commented that Linux users are like <1% of players but most of the crash reports or things like that. That was before the Steam Deck blew up though, so now you might have more Linux players, but those mostly use Proton, so why do you need a native Linux version.

AceFuzzLord,

I think it’s still nice to have just so that way if for some reason Proton suddenly disappears alongside Wine (alongside all their forks and other related things) in some catastrophically low odds event you can still play the game or use the program.

LukeZaz,

This was true, but a big part of that reason (as followed up on by some other devs) is that Linux users are usually tech-savvy, and frequently work on software. They contribute more bug reports because they know how to report a bug. You’ll have more bug reports, but not necessarily because there’s more bugs (though that too), and as a bonus the users reporting them will probably be able to help you fix those bugs a lot better than the average Windows user.

Admetus, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?

In just a few words to summarise a lot of these comments:

What user spends the most moneh?

pinguinu, do gaming w Me, having neither somehow
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Young me, not knowing how to pirate games:

Poopfeast420, do gaming w Me, having neither somehow
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Me, an adult, having tons of time and enough money to buy games.

puppycat,

congrats?

5in1k,

Me too. I won a lottery it feels like sometimes.

teawrecks, do gaming w Me, having neither somehow

As they say, youth is wasted on the old…

LiamMayfair, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?

Linux is such a tiny slice of the market compared to Windows, it doesn’t make financial sense for dev studios to spend any of their budget in it, because they just won’t sell enough copies to make it worth their while.

Dadifer, do gaming w Me, having neither somehow

The secret is SteamDeck. Now poop time is play time!

secret300,

Next pay… I’ve been saying that since it launched but for real this time.

Dadifer,

It’s totally worth it

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