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tiny_hedgehog, w New dwarf planet spotted at the edge of the solar system

“The object is currently about 90.5 astronomical units (AU) away from us, or roughly 90 times as far from Earth as the sun is.”

This sentence pissed me off so much and I stopped reading after it.

It is 90.5 times as far from the Sun as the Earth is from the Sun. Why’d you have to go and change the frame of reference to Earth?

AlbinoPython,

I mean, they said “roughly”.

corsicanguppy,

Like, give or take one AU, throughout the year.

tiny_hedgehog,

Fair, but annoying to the pendantic.

powerofm,

“It’s 20.5°C outside or roughly 20 notches on your thermometer (except for americans)”

ThermonuclearEgg,
@ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net avatar

Here’s another article that doesn’t do this for anyone else that would prefer it:

phys.org/…/2025-05-extreme-cousin-pluto-dwarf-pla…

Etterra,

Well it’s a good frame of reference because it’s where most of us keep all our stuff.

Zos_Kia,
@Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com avatar

Talk about putting all our eggs in the same basket smh

Kichae,

It didn’t. It’s 90.5 AU from us, and us is Earth. Or do you live on the Sun?

tiny_hedgehog,

If we are 1AU from the sun, and this planet is 90AU from the sun, then it is between 89 and 91 AUs from earth depending on the progress of our orbits (assuming perfectly circular orbits). So they did change the frame of reference.

lud,

This dwarf planet is 90 AU from US not from the sun. They just said that the dwarf planet is 90 AU away from us and that 1 AU is equal to the distance between the sun and the earth.

But since the dwarf planets orbit is extremely eccentric that varies heavily.

tiny_hedgehog,

You are right. I stand corrected.

remotelove,
@remotelove@lemmy.ca avatar

They didn’t change the reference, they defined an AU.

bjoern_tantau, w New dwarf planet spotted at the edge of the solar system
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Ugh, didn’t read the “dwarf” part and got my hopes up for planet 9. When they eventually do find it they have to name it something with P so that the old mnemonics still work.

Zachariah,
@Zachariah@lemmy.world avatar

“Planet 9” starts with “P”

FaceDeer,

I've heard that the sign of a fair bargain is that everybody leaves unhappy. So how about we name it "Pluto?" That should annoy pretty much everyone.

SuperEars,

“Plutwo”

Microw,

This study authors btw say that their models for 2017 OF201’s orbit work best without the influence of a hypothetical planet 9

bjoern_tantau,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Ooh, nice!

wise_pancake, w New dwarf planet spotted at the edge of the solar system

This far-flung orbit may be the result of an encounter with a giant planet, which ejected the candidate dwarf planet out of the solar system, say the researchers.

Poor guy. Hopefully he’s out there finding his own family.

At least it doesn’t have to deal with the toxicity Pluto does, being in the family one day and then coldly rejected from the family from the planet club the next. And we wonder why it’s exterior is frozen…

Rhaedas,
@Rhaedas@fedia.io avatar

Dwarf or not, Pluto is STILL a planet.

FaceDeer,

It's not, actually. "Planet" and "Dwarf planet" are disjoint sets, according to the IAU.

Is a sea lion still a lion? Same thing.

WoodScientist,

Well, screw the IAU. What the hell does “clearing your neighborhood” even mean?

FaceDeer,

This article goes into great detail about the various methods that one can use to measure or calculate the orbit-clearing capability of an orbiting body.

It turns out that for all of these different methods, you will find an extremely clear bimodal distribution that groups the 8 planets together as being highly capable of clearing their orbits whereas everything else falls into a statistically distinct non-clearing group. This is because there's sound dynamic reasons for why objects would fall into one group or the other with nothing lasting long in the "grey area" between them. Once an object becomes significantly better than its orbital neighbors at clearing the neighborhood it snowballs due to the feedback loop of scattering or absorbing its neighbors into itself.

That makes this a good criterion for classification. As the old saying goes, "cleave nature at the joints."

MadMadBunny,

There are so many nasty potential jokes I decided not to get involved. Fuck it I ain’t touching that with a 30-foot pole.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

it means that either pluto isn’t a planet, or basically the entire fucking asteroid belt it’s part of is all planets

LanguageIsCool,

It’s also not a sea

atomicbocks,
dream_weasel,

Jerry?

luciole, w “Ursa Major” sounds like a Jamaican DJ…
@luciole@beehaw.org avatar

cool nickname for an ursaring too

PalimpsestNavigator,

Sadly, I had to look that up. Ah, Pokémon… the gulf separating me from my generation.

lvxferre, w “Ursa Major” sounds like a Jamaican DJ…
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

Proposal to change Ursa Major and Ursa Minor to Chonky Bear and Smol Bear.

PalimpsestNavigator,

Incredible. Granted

anguo, w "Big surprise": astronomers find planet in perpendicular orbit around pair of stars

Isn’t that literally the premise of the Three Body Problem?

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

The 3 body problem has no general solution. This would be a special case solution.

anguo,

Ah, yes, I just read the title again!

Bldck,

Not exactly. In the novel/tv show the Three Bodies are stars that are interacting with a fourth object, the planet Trisolaris.

Because the movements of the three suns are unpredictable, they never know when the climate of the planet will be habitable.

anguo,

Yes, I remember now that I thought “that’s a four body problem” when I read it.

MNByChoice, w "Big surprise": astronomers find planet in perpendicular orbit around pair of stars

Cool. Space is really cool. Keep up the good work Astronomers. Love the cool things you find.

Delta_V, w "Big surprise": astronomers find planet in perpendicular orbit around pair of stars

I wonder if its a product of colliding galaxies?

woodenghost, (edited ) w "Big surprise": astronomers find planet in perpendicular orbit around pair of stars

Now just add a second binary star system and you get infinite energy and momentum in finite time*:

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/74126891-4008-49a0-8919-ebd2419a216a.jpeg

*if Newtonian physics were true and stars and planets were points and everything was perfectly aligned

Flyberius,
@Flyberius@hexbear.net avatar

Is there a layman’s explanation for this?

Emtity_13,

Majik

/J

woodenghost, (edited )

It’s a math thing, more than a physics thing.

With Newtons law of gravity, there is a big, but seemingly solved problem that’s been known for a long time: things must not touch. Potential energy is calculated by dividing a term by the distance of two objects. You can’t devide by zero, so if the distance goes to zero, energy goes to infinity, which doesn’t make sense. The solution is to prevent the centers of mass of things from touching. This isn’t a problem, because in real life, masses aren’t points, but solid objects and the centers of mass are in the middle, so they can’t touch, because the outer parts collide first. And in simulations you can just make a rule that says no touching.

This kind of gap in a formula, where it stops being defined, is called a singularity in math. And to deal with them, you just have to know, when to expect them. For hundreds of years, people thought, collisions were the only singularities in Newtonian gravity. Easy to avoid, so not a problem. Now in this paper, they prove, that there are other, non-collission singularities and give an explicit example.

The arrangement in the picture has the middle mass going back and forth between the two binaries faster and faster and it reaches infinite speed in finite time. It basically leaves the universe, like a glitch in a video game. Also the reverse is allowed too: you just need the four masses from the two binary systems and there is nothing in Newtonian gravity that says a fifth mass can’t randomly appear from out of nowhere with infinite speed, slow down and settle between the too binaries.

Since only five masses were necessary to create this problematic constellation, it’s likely that there are many more possible.

Luckily, we have Einsteins theory of gravity now, so don’t have to worry about Newton too much. However, this does have its own, completely different kind of singularity, where the curvature of spacetime goes to infinity. People initially thought, that would be a problematic, unphysical behavior, like Newtons singularities, but it turns out that’s just a real thing that happens: black holes. Here the annoying singularities are mercifully shrouded in an event horizon, so at least we don’t have to look at them. Unless… But there is a solution for that too.

Rhaedas, w "Big surprise": astronomers find planet in perpendicular orbit around pair of stars
@Rhaedas@fedia.io avatar

Given there are known polar planetary discs, and this orbit seems stable, wouldn't that suggest that polar systems are formed because of some past interaction between the two stars that disrupted them from the original plane of formation?

NaibofTabr,

The planet could be a capture.

Rhaedas,
@Rhaedas@fedia.io avatar

Possibly. I didn't dive in deeper to see if they even know the shape of the orbit. From my understanding a capture is very unlikely to have a near circular orbit. But planetary discs definitely aren't captures, so something changed the stars in those.

keepthepace, w [Eric Berger] Tuesday Telescope: A rare glimpse of one of the smallest known moons

What I like about this image is that this is probably the biggest object that I can compare to something I know, that I can “comprehend”. With 6 km wide, it is about the same size as Grenoble, a city I have seen from above while hiking. I can understand how far the picture looks from it, how small a human would be on it

Agent641, w [Eric Berger] Tuesday Telescope: A rare glimpse of one of the smallest known moons

I actually think about Deimos a lot

threelonmusketeers,

In what context?

sga, w [Meta] Comm Clarification
@sga@lemmings.world avatar

don’t think much about it, just post where ever you want

threelonmusketeers, w [Meta] Comm Clarification

I think that !space is the most general community, and communities like “!astronomy” and “!spaceflight” are subsets.

  • Interesting data from a telescope? Astronomy and space, but not spaceflight.
  • A new GPS satellite is launched? Spaceflight and space, but not astronomy.
  • The Perseverance rover drills into a neat rock on Mars? Space, but not really astronomy or spaceflight.
  • A new space telescope is launched? Definitely all three.

These are just my thoughts though, and I’d love to hear what others think.

@Bee, @otter, @Bitswap Thoughts on changing the display name of !space from “Space & Astronomy” to just “Space”? Not that astronomy posts wouldn’t be welcome, but it could help reduce confusion with this community.

Bitswap,

Yeah. Actually confused me for a minute and I had to go dig into all the different communities on mander.

I think it makes sense to change the display name.

otter,

I’m good with that too. A pinned post and sidebar list should help people know where to share content.

threelonmusketeers,

Friendly reminder regarding changing the display name of !space :)

otter,

Thanks! I’ve changed it now.

It looks like the icon and banner are broken, even on mander.xyz. @Bitswap, were you in the process of updating those? It could be a cross instance moderation issue. Otherwise how are these:

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/9e462620-bdd3-425f-a5dc-3415f1b95bab.png

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/5227d57a-a076-43cc-abff-23e7fe29d137.png

threelonmusketeers,

Thanks!

The new banner and icon look great! I like how the icon is partially transparent.

otter,

Nice :)

I made the promo post and scheduled the second one to go out in a few days: lemmy.ca/post/43840038

threelonmusketeers,

Awesome!

Lyrl, w Astronomers confirm the existence of a lone black hole

Neat to see a 6-7 solar mass black hole spotted. First one without a companion star to give it away! As we get better at finding black holes of this size, will be interesting to see if they end up explaining part of the “dark matter” problem.

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