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charade_you_are, do games w Nintendo Updates Its User Agreement To Crack Down On Emulation

Nintendo is such a shit company now. I’d be surprised if they ever innovate again. They’ll just sit around and sue and release mediocre to bad bullshit.

rocky1138,

They always been like this.

Duamerthrax, (edited )

Half disagree. They’ve taken a lot of risks in the past with designs that other companies wouldn’t have. Things that didn’t always pan out well and became the butts of jokes.

But yes, they’ve been a litigious company with ties to the Yakuza that people frequently forget as well.

PunkRockSportsFan, do games w Nintendo Updates Its User Agreement To Crack Down On Emulation

Guess who decided not to buy a switch 2 after this news.

(Me)

I don’t want them bricking my shit.

Ima help out with switch emulator projects now instead of just playing their games.

Fuck em.

OneWomanCreamTeam,

For real. What will a Switch 2 do that a Steam deck (or one of its several competitors) won’t? There are still switch emulators, and there will be switch 2 emulators.

thermal_shock,

Steam deck - 98% all games, PC, Nintendo, arcade, etc

Switch - Nintendo games only, massive restrictions from an anti consumer company

Moeverload, do games w Nintendo Updates Its User Agreement To Crack Down On Emulation

And how exactly do they intend to detect or prevent emulation?

dditty,

As of right now, it seems like the only way they can detect a hacked Switch is if its user goes online for a game in the emuNAND. I don’t think there is a way for them to detect emulating on PC, unless you’re like that streamer who publicly flouted Nintendo’s cease and desists

DarkFuture, do games w Nintendo Updates Its User Agreement To Crack Down On Emulation
@DarkFuture@lemmy.world avatar

This is why I pirate.

I’m tired of companies telling me what I can and can’t do with something I’ve purchased.

Anyways. I’ll be gaming on my PC if anyone needs me.

SolidShake, do games w Nintendo Updates Its User Agreement To Crack Down On Emulation

This Community : but but but. I only use emulators to play my backed up cartridges I’ve never pirated one game before.

Shiggles,

Nintendo could make fucking bank if it was easier to actually pay them to play their old games. They have no leg to stand on since I can’t.

superglue,

It boggles my mind that they aren’t just packaging up old games into an exe and posting them one by one on Steam. Its free money.

fluffykittycat,

They could literally just sell ROM files, bring your own emulator

Kowowow,

If I ever get sued by nintendo for some reason I’m making a large part of my case to try and convince investors how much money they could make having games available on pc, I doubt I could win a lawsuit but I will do my best to be a seed that changes your company forever

LoreSoong,

nintendo does not want you to play their old titles, theyve been quoted saying “emulation stifles innovation” to me this just says that we cant play old games because it makes their new ones look bad. Nintendo is pulling a call of duty on us, just re-releasing games with a fresh coat of paint and a new gimmick for example MK with its new open world. Zelda with an open world. Smash brothers, Pokemon… you get it. Dont get me wrong i love these games and IPs, but the games have barely changed since 64. I will say the new DK and MK titles look great, but Ill just wait till we can fully emulate switch 2 and keep my money.

Plus i wont have to worry about them bricking my PC. The last good hardware theyve released was the 3ds and wii u. but they only became great when the modding scene stepped in and made them so. They are clearly worried about the modding scene, dumping games, and adding emulators for old titles. To me, nintendo is dead and has been for a while. The dev teams within nintendo are still pushing out gold. Whilst everyone else there is looking to fuck over the consumer.

trashboat,
@trashboat@midwest.social avatar

I’ve only played Nintendo games on-and-off but the last truly special innovation I can remember to the Mario formula was the Super Mario Galaxy games. I can’t recall anything else like it that they’ve done recently

LoreSoong,

Breath of the wild definitely comes to mind. The combat and puzzles in that game are an absolute treat. The amount of tools they give the player is unlike anything ive played before, heres a decent clip as an example

youtu.be/SLdtdhGobqg

But before that… yeah mario galaxy and metroid prime were pretty much all i can think of off the top of my head.

trashboat,
@trashboat@midwest.social avatar

Ohhh yeah still haven’t played that one, I’ve heard so many good things about it though

RightHandOfIkaros,

I couldn’t dislike Breath of the Wild any more than I do. BotW changed Zelda for no good reason, and IMO, was not an improvement. A 6/10 at best if I ignore “Zelda” in the title. Put simply, BotW is among the worst games in the Zelda franchise, up there with Zelda 2 and the CDi games, as a Zelda game.

While the clip you provided is interesting, it features gameplay that was absolutely not intended by Nintendo, and part of the reason why they removed a lot of the abilities that let you do this from Tears of the Kingdom. Nintendo would patch the game to remove that if they could do it without kneecapping the entire rest of the game.

Combat is tedious. Weapons have less durability than literal glass weapons in the Elder Scrolls games. Why should I get into combat when I know I am going to end up destroying 80% of the weapons in my inventory at minimum? This is completely ignoring Master Mode, which is really just “Enemy Health x10 Mode” or whatever the multiplier is. Youre not going to be able to get into any fight in the game with more than 4 enemies and have enough weapons for that, even with max Weapon Inventory slots.

The Master Sword, legendary blade that rends evil in a fell swish? Yeah… you can only use it for like, 10 minutes. And then its locked away from you for another 10 minutes while it “recharges.” What, do I need to make a reservation with the sword so it can check its schedule before I get into every fight? Make sure its back from its vacation?

The puzzles are easy. Like, mind numbingly easy. No dungeon-wide puzzles that take thought and spatial awareness in this game (or honestly, Tears of the Kingdom either for that matter). Zelda dungeons were the cornerstone of the game design. Each had a unique theme, memorable music, and complex design that essentially turned the entire dungeon into a puzzle itself. BotW “shrines” are cookie-cutter, copy-paste, made-in-3-minutes lookalikes. All of them easily solvable in less time it took you to get the shrine to spawn out of the floor. The “divine beasts” are even worse, but at least they are kinda unique in their textures. Unless you do more than one, because all 4 of them use identical textures.

The story was garbage. Not only because it barely existed, but because all the interesting parts happened off-screen. Same exact problem Halo had with Halo 5 and Infinite. I want to play the story the randomly shuffled cutscenes showed me, not see all the cool stuff happen when I can’t do anything. That cheapens the experience.

Oh yeah. That mountain you want to climb? Rain. Always rain. Go ahead, start climbing. The game will force rain to start.

Literally the best way to play BotW is fully modded with infinite weapon durability and changing Link into Linkle. At least then I can pretend its a spin-off.

LoreSoong, (edited )

Agreed, Its barely a zelda game but regardless of how easy the puzzles were, they were fun. But yes there were too many and 100%ing the game was an absolute slog because of the similarity between alot of the shrines

“Combat was tedious” sure. If your bad at the game, alot of attacks are parryable and weapons and food are craftable. Even if i wasnt equipped to deal with a situation the enviroment always provides alternative ways to deal with enemies.

“zelda dungeons were the cornerstone of game design” I have to disagree zelda dungeons have always been either bullshit or as you put it mind numbingly easy and tedious. They were innovative for sure, but they were often obnoxiously long. Stopping for a few days and coming back to the game youd forget wtf you were doing and why. The music however i agree with, botw does not have a single track i remember off the top of my head.

The story was always trash. Except majoras mask and minish cap. But i agree about the cutscenes, Its not hard to tell a story through gameplay, so its lazy for sure.

All that said, i never gave botw a shining review. I just said that they actually TRIED something different. Even if it wasnt executed that well.

ALSO how tf are you not going to mention the final boss fight of botw? That shit had my jaw on the floor with how tedious and ass that was.

Quibblekrust,

MK with its new open world

Now I want open world Mortal Kombat.

LoreSoong,

Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance, Mortal Kombat Deception, Mortal Kombat Shaolin Monks.

They tried that. It was not good.

drspawndisaster,

They’re not stupid, they’re manipulative. In my experience, that’s always the case in situations like these.

agelord,

Pirating Nintendo games is a good deed. Everyone should be proud of it.

11111one11111, do games w Nintendo Updates Its User Agreement To Crack Down On Emulation

How is retropie still able to operate? Seems like 9 out of 10 people who buy a raspberry pi are using it with retropie to play retro games. Seems like something that holds that much of the emulator industry share would be targeted by Nintendo.

Subsequently, if I know someone who knows someone who has a retropie for gaming, what’s the worst case scenario that could come from Nintendo shutting down retropie’s ability to provide the means to emulate? Will it be fine as long as the OS isn’t updated any further? Just run the emulators and roms already installed on it as long as no new emulators or roms are added after the possible crack down?

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

Nintendo can't control anyone else's hardware, they can't stop you from doing what you want on a Raspberry Pi. They're trying to crack down on Switch modding, but even that's just a cat-and-mouse game.

You will not get in trouble for emulating at home. Emulation itself is legal, it's only illegal to download games you don't own. But it's nearly impossible for anyone to get caught doing that, and very obviously not worth any lawyer's time to pursue individual end users for pennies in damages. You are safe.

What Nintendo wants to do is attack piracy at the source. They can go after sites that distribute ROMs, but those are like a hydra, kill one and three more take its place. Then there's the likes of Yuzu and Ryujinx, where Nintendo claims to have found some technicality about these emulators having something they shouldn't. But the forks are still being distributed, and you the end user will not get in trouble for downloading the fork at home.

Note that for the most part, they're really only concerned with protecting their current hardware. They've never gone after Dolphin, Snes9x, mGBA, etc, because they know those are battles they can't win. Considering how aggressive Nintendo is on the battles they do fight, it's clear that anything Nintendo doesn't go after is something they can't go after.

fluffykittycat,

I mean it’s still important to walk an emulators for current Hardware while we still have modern working examples and can capture Network packets and whatnot but I’m not totally against the idea of Simply holding your insights from public consumption for a while out of practicality alone

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

I agree, it's important to preserve things today because it may be too late tomorrow. Some Switch titles have already been delisted, so it's good that we backed them up early.

But I'm just explaining it from Nintendo's perspective. If the tools we use to restore Super Mario Bros. 35 can also be used to crack Tears of the Kingdom, they don't want those tools in our hands.

The more important point though is that it is all cat-and-mouse, and the mouse is winning. We have those tools, and they can't fully stop it.

WatDabney,

I'd never thought of it in these specific terms before, but the essentially educational and fear-ameliorating nature of your post led me to realize that it's likely that a lot of what Nintendo's doing with all of this legal barnstorming is essentially PR, and that's all it's meant to be.

They have little hope of actually winning cases or of doing anything more than cutting off one head of the hydra if they do, and all of their safeguards can be and will be worked around, repeatedly if necessary, so from a practical standpoint, they're fighting a losing battle. But all of their noise and aggressive posturing likely serves to scare a lot of less-informed gamers into not emulating in the first place, so it furthers their goals anyway.

11111one11111,

Fuck me 10/10 response. Thank you that answered so many of my questions.

Maybe it’s just a coincidence that because I switched to Lemmy almost 2 years ago I started seeing more IT related news and thats why im seeing so many more articles about Nintendo shutting down as much pirated material as they can. Or is it that they only recently started this crusade? If so, do you have any more information as to why they started making this a priority in the past couple years?

a_wild_mimic_appears,

Nintendo has been at it for the last 30 years, here are landmark lawsuites lists, from my memory everything relevant has been listed.

…gametechwiki.com/…/Legal_status_and_history_of_e…

And there are a few points why they are so active, first and foremost the IP law in Japan, which says (paraphrased) that IP that is not defended is fair game for everyone; then there is the technological fact that emulation of their systems is pretty easy performancewise nowadays in comparison to the naughts; and then there is the thing that if the few titles that are exclusives to nintendos system can easily played on other platforms (where they don’t see a dime), they will not be able to sell their hardware and therefore no games that are available on other platforms. Also, they have always stepped up their game when a new hardware generation comes out - can’t have people emulating the old platform when there’s new stuff to buy, ya see?

I await the day when someone at nintendo starts using his calculator and recognizes that selling their back catalogue games at 7,99 per game on pc and 10 bucks on all the other platforms would ensure a steady flow of income for much needed innovation; the switch is nice, but i can’t see where the switch 2 is a product that shows enough difference to the switch1 for massive sales.

Mwa,

thanks for clearing stuff up

ColeSloth,

You can say 9 out of 10 buying a raspberry pie are setring up retro pie for emulating, but 98 out of 100 people emulating aren’t using a raspberry pie to do it.

11111one11111,

I mean the statement was heavily implied to be anecdotal to my experience but I’ll add to it by also saying I haven’t met a single person who runs an emulator console using anything but raspberry pi hardware.

What are the 98 out 100 people that you know using? Mini desktops?

ColeSloth,

You’re just speaking of dedicated emulator systems? I’d agree with those numbers of yours then. I was just speaking of what people use to emulate old games in general. Almost everyone just uses a pc, laptop, or cell phone. The numbers for dedicated systems that look like retro Gameboys and stuff like that are outnumbered by like 100 to 1.

RangerJosey, do games w Nintendo Updates Its User Agreement To Crack Down On Emulation

I’m gonna emulate even harder now.

jodanlime,
@jodanlime@midwest.social avatar

Right? This just makes me want to emulate every Nintendo everything from now on.

unwarlikeExtortion, do gaming w It's Official, Switch 2 Joy-Con Will Not Feature Hall Effect Sticks

outright confirmed the exclusion […] Notably, he didn’t specify whether or not

Yeah, that’s what “outright” means all right.

Spider89,
Odo,

He confirmed the joycons are not hall effect, but didn’t specify whether the pro controller is.

Wahots, do gaming w It's Official, Switch 2 Joy-Con Will Not Feature Hall Effect Sticks
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

All my joycons have drift, and I have several sets. I’m not touching a switch 2 because of that, and the insane cost of games. Nintendo needs to make better hardware.

IndustryStandard,

Nintendo has free repair on joycon stick drift be sure to use it. You will lose your joycons for a few weeks so do not send them all at once.

DebatableRaccoon, do gaming w It's Official, Switch 2 Joy-Con Will Not Feature Hall Effect Sticks

What a surprise… 🙄 The only way Nintendo has worked hard to ‘mitigate the issue’ and still hasn’t landed on Hall Effect as the answer is if they’re purposefully keeping shit components but want them to be just good enough for them to not get sued.

Coreidan, do gaming w It's Official, Switch 2 Joy-Con Will Not Feature Hall Effect Sticks

Switch 1 was a massive disappointment to me. Same with the titles. Not worth it at all.

Therefore I am sitting out this time and I doubt I’ll be back.

Steam deck is better.

onlooker, do gaming w It's Official, Switch 2 Joy-Con Will Not Feature Hall Effect Sticks
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t think I’ve ever been this disinterested in a Nintendo console and I bought the WiiU. So far we have:

  • Insane price tags: 80$ to buy games digitally? And 90$ for physical? This isn’t how you stop piracy, it’s how you start it.
  • The tech demo costs money. Why? Sure, they explained why. Just not very well.
  • That Nintendo-Denuvo deal from 2023 is still a thing. Thankfully, no games on the Switch have implemented Denuvo. With the Switch 2 coming out, I’m not certain this will remain the case.
  • Far as I can tell, they did next to nothing to fix the joycon drift. The one big problem with the Switch 1.

Also, the launch titles are kind of sparse. Most are rehashes of existing Switch 1 games, with two or three exceptions. Not for me, I guess.

TheLowestStone,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

At least 1 is a rehash of an N64 game.

onlooker,
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

Which one is that? Mario Kart?

HobbitFoot,

I feel like that with a lot of gaming, though. It feels like a lot of the industry has progressed where AAA gaming isn’t worth it while A and AA games are just as, if not more, entertaining.

It feels more like Nintendo is building the engine for the next decade, but I’m still happy with last decade’s engine.

zeca,

seems to me like AAA games always were about demonstrating new game technologies, showcasing a new graphics engine or something, not about entertaining/fun games. Like that Crysis franchise from around 2010, everyone wanted to have a pc that could play crysis, but nobody actually wanted to play that game.

HobbitFoot,

AAA used to be about creating fun games. The Super Mario and Mario Kart games, for instance, are AAA games.

It just happens to be that you can create a lot of complex and fun games today without pushing the edge of technology. That wasn’t always the case.

juipeltje, do gaming w It's Official, Switch 2 Joy-Con Will Not Feature Hall Effect Sticks
@juipeltje@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly wasn’t expecting them to use Hall Effect in the first place (have any consoles actually had those in recent years?) But let’s be real, this is also the least of the switch 2’s problems. Everything around this console is way too damn expensive. The only thing that’s priced reasonably (imo atleast) is the actual console itself.

Leeuk,

I’ve luckily pre-ordered one with Mario kart World bundle for £430 - which I agree (with a inflation) is not ridiculous in itself. I’ve been waiting for 2 years as I never got the original switch and thought I’d wait for the all new model with backward compatibility…

However I am concerned about future game costs and controllers/accessories. Likely will be looking for preowneed/sale/3rd party. The £10 demo is also a big red flag and I hope doesn’t set the tone for a Wiiu like story.

donuts, do gaming w It's Official, Switch 2 Joy-Con Will Not Feature Hall Effect Sticks

Of course they rather reinvent the wheel. They are a corporation, they like to spend millions reinventing stuff that has already been fixed.

ieatpwns,

They reinvent it to patent it so no one else copies them

Which is fucking bullshit

Nintendo should be banned from patent offices

Beryl, (edited ) do gaming w It's Official, Switch 2 Joy-Con Will Not Feature Hall Effect Sticks
@Beryl@jlai.lu avatar

How else would they sell you new joycons every 2 years for 80 bucks a piece ?

donuts,

Hey, your language is set to German (Deutsch) so I didn’t see your comment until I selected German in my languages too. Unsure if you intended this as your comment is English

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/913f6237-294c-44ac-97e1-bf16f8e84838.png

Beryl, (edited )
@Beryl@jlai.lu avatar

Thanks for the heads up ! I had no idea (and can’t find where the settings for this are ^ ^ ^’ )

Fisch,
@Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

That depends on the client you use. If you just use the website it’s right under the text field.

donuts,

It should be in your profile settings! Idk if you’re using an app but if you visit the web app you should be able to find it in your settings.

TaviRider,

Nintendo has free replacement for bad Joycons for life. It’s not some planned obsolescence conspiracy.

Beryl, (edited )
@Beryl@jlai.lu avatar

I’m sure a lot of customers don’t go through the hassle of having Nintendo replace their controller or simply don’t know about the policy and just buy a new one.

They did replacement for the original Switch, not sure if it will still be the case for the new one. Besides, there is no way they don’t know about hall effect sticks, yet they went with the older tech. Which means they made a business decision based on what would make them the more money, and not what would be the most resilient parts.

Cikos,

they dont offer that here…

obligatory fight club scene youtu.be/SiB8GVMNJkE

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

And the process of dealing with it sucks ass. You’re probably more likely to buy at least one second set of joycons while you wait forever for them to replace your own.

Kaiserschmarrn,
@Kaiserschmarrn@feddit.org avatar

This doesn’t hold true for every country though. I’m pretty sure that here in Austria they won’t replace/repair my Joycons for free.

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