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troyunrau, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

I was trying to keep my comment short(ish), but you’re not wrong. There are other complications :)

But_my_mom_says_im_cool, do gaming w Me, having neither somehow

You can find time with insomnia!

miracleorange, do gaming w Goodbye my friend.
troyunrau, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

I’ll ignore the market share question and talk a little about history. The compatibility layer is what killed OS/2 back in the day.

See, IBM (with OS/2) and Microsoft (with Windows 2.x and 3.x) were cooperating initially. Windows was the new kid on the block, and MS was allowing IBM to make a windows application compatibility layer on OS/2 in the early days. Think Windows 2.x/3.x. This was a brilliant stroke on behalf of MS, since the application developers would choose the Windows API and develop against that API only. Soon, there were no real native OS/2 apps being sold in any stores. Once MS Office came about, OS/2 was effectively a dead commercial product, outside of the server space.

The parallel here is that wine allows developers to target only the Windows API (again). This means you don’t have to bother with linux support at all and just hope that Proton or whatever will do the work for you.

There are some modern differences though. First: Linux didn’t start as a major competitor to Windows in the desktop/gaming space. We’d all love the Linux marketshare to increase, but largely there isn’t a huge economic driver behind it. So Linux will increase or not and the world will keep on turning. We’re not risking being delegated to history like OS/2. The second: the compatibility layer is being made as an open source project, and this isn’t MS trying to embrace-extend-extinguish in the same way that their assistance to IBM implementing that layer was. (We could quibble about .Net and Mono and others though.)

So I don’t think it’ll play out the same way. Linux will be okay. It’s already a vast improvement from prior years.

Historically, there was nothing like a killer hardware situation for OS/2 – no equivalent of the Steam Deck – that was driving wide hardware adoption to encourage additional native apps. Valve has done more for linux desktop adoption in the last few years than anyone that came prior.

kbal,
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I remember it well. I think the biggest difference between OS/2 then and Linux today is that OS/2 wasn't all that much better than Windows in any easily understood way for the average non-technical user.

arsCynic, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?

Because for decades Microsoft has yielded to Linux’s superiority with unethical anti-competitive behaviour. E.g., it’s hard to compete with hardware that comes pre-installed with Windows.

DdCno1,

Also for decades, Linux has had awful drivers for graphics cards (among other things) and godawful usability. It’s not like Linux would have taken over the desktop computer market in 1998. Have you ever tried installing a vintage distro? It’s a nightmare.

LukeZaz,

Linux has had awful drivers for graphics cards

Not been my experience at all. Or am I misunderstanding and you’re saying that’s a past problem? Because I’ve used both AMD and Nvidia drivers on Mint and they’ve both been fantastic.

ReplicantBatty,

They’re a lot better these days, but I remember 15 years ago I had to spend hours in a command line just to get Linux to recognize my video card, much less utilize it properly. It’s definitely come a long long way but still far from perfect

Grapho, do gaming w Me, having neither somehow
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I was a happy kid bc I knew how to pirate shit and liked simulators more than I liked shooters or whatever

Adori,
@Adori@lemmy.world avatar

Me and my bff allegedly pirating coop strategy games all the time, and survival, we love distribution of entertainment for all

Valmond, do gaming w Me, having neither somehow

That’s why I pay games for my kids.

Dadifer, do gaming w Me, having neither somehow

The secret is SteamDeck. Now poop time is play time!

secret300,

Next pay… I’ve been saying that since it launched but for real this time.

Dadifer,

It’s totally worth it

UltraGiGaGigantic,
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You deserve good things. Hope you get it soon. Peace

LiamMayfair, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?

Linux is such a tiny slice of the market compared to Windows, it doesn’t make financial sense for dev studios to spend any of their budget in it, because they just won’t sell enough copies to make it worth their while.

teawrecks, do gaming w Me, having neither somehow

As they say, youth is wasted on the old…

Poopfeast420, do gaming w Me, having neither somehow
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Me, an adult, having tons of time and enough money to buy games.

puppycat,

congrats?

5in1k,

Me too. I won a lottery it feels like sometimes.

Dyskolos,

Me too. Having too many hobbies, too many games and a steam-backlog worth of like 50yrs continuous gaming 😂

pinguinu, do gaming w Me, having neither somehow
@pinguinu@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Young me, not knowing how to pirate games:

Admetus, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?

In just a few words to summarise a lot of these comments:

What user spends the most moneh?

Poopfeast420, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

A few devs who did have commented that Linux users are like <1% of players but most of the crash reports or things like that. That was before the Steam Deck blew up though, so now you might have more Linux players, but those mostly use Proton, so why do you need a native Linux version.

AceFuzzLord,

I think it’s still nice to have just so that way if for some reason Proton suddenly disappears alongside Wine (alongside all their forks and other related things) in some catastrophically low odds event you can still play the game or use the program.

LukeZaz,

This was true, but a big part of that reason (as followed up on by some other devs) is that Linux users are usually tech-savvy, and frequently work on software. They contribute more bug reports because they know how to report a bug. You’ll have more bug reports, but not necessarily because there’s more bugs (though that too), and as a bonus the users reporting them will probably be able to help you fix those bugs a lot better than the average Windows user.

vrighter, do gaming w Why there are few native Linux games compared to Windows or even Mac?

because you can’t just target “linux”. You target a distro. That’s not feasible for any of them to maintain

princessnorah,
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This isn’t entirely true though. Devs could target an AppImage for example.

vrighter,

and i have found appimages that fail to worm due to some dependencies too. This is not a solved prooblem for linux. And no, flatpak isn’t it either

Toes,

I want to add on to that, flatpak even struggles with native Linux games like left4dead2. (Hardly any mods work)

Die4Ever,
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yea dependencies seem like a real issue here, I don’t think Linux supports side-by-side versions like Windows does, Windows will just install every version of DirectX and libraries like that

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

You only need to target the Steam Linux Runtime.

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