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LainTrain, do games w What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

Yikes. Is the review in the screenshot true? They got root anticheat? Or rootkit data harvesting?

FauxLiving, (edited )

No, it’s misinformation and people who uncritically repeat things without verification.

I’ve had the game installed for years and have to manually apply updates, there hasn’t been one. e: I just checked, last update in Steam is dated 2022

All they’ve done is make their TOS universal across all of their games.

e: adding this from last post. TL;DR: People are spreading misinformation

So, let’s look into the claims.

Here’s the TOS:

www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/

There is nothing about root level access.

In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.

So, to be clear: There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.

Diurnambule,

He said it, root access level in the TOS of BorderLand. Not that a root kit is included, but that they allowed them self to inclid it whenever they can. That not misinformation…

FauxLiving,

He said it

That not misinformation…

It is misinformation if the things he said are not true.

So, let’s look into the claims.

Here’s the TOS:

www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/

There is nothing about root level access.

In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.

So, to be clear:

There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.


This is what happens when you simply read social media and repeat what you’ve heard without checking to see if you’re spreading misinformation.

Cataphract,

I’m really curious on what actual specific steps you took to “check”. It took me about a few minutes of reading to find it.

www.take2games.com/privacy/en-US/#3-sources-of-in…

We also may use internal and third-party anti-cheat technologies to detect and prevent cheating within our Services.

Furthermore, www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/#10-availability specifically section 10.2

We may provide patches, updates, or upgrades to the Services, Virtual Items, Content, or your Account that may be required for you to continue using the Services, including automatic or “in the background” updates without notice to you.

I hope the people who upvoted your misinformation are able to see this, please think of your actions and conduct before posting multiple comments defending a company if you’re worried about misinformation.

Warl0k3,

That… doesn’t actually rebut anything FauxLiving said. That they may use anti-cheat, and that they may have automatic updates, aren’t the claims in question here.

Crashumbc,

Ummm those two would statements would in fact allow them to install a “anticheat” rookit/kernel program at any time without your knowledge…

Diurnambule, (edited )

He said they added a kernel level anticheat in the TOS which is true. But they seem to have not included it in the game yet. But they tell that by possedong the game you allow them to. Edit : typo but can’t correct “possedong” now

wetbeardhairs,

possedong

I’d like to know how your autocorrect learned this word

Hadriscus,

That’s a typo from an i to an o, commenter probably meant possessing but made a mistake and tried to type posseding, I suspect their native language is french given their username and “to possess” in french is “posséder”.

That being said, a possedong sounds intriguing

Diurnambule,

Do you do osint ? … That pretty Mich on point. I use a English/French keyboard and sometime autocorrect do strange things.

Hadriscus,

I had to look this up… looks like it’s a whole thing

Diurnambule,

Really ? I though, since you used a though process used in osint. Osint is open sources intelligences, it is looking for data about something/someone in data available for all

Berttheduck, do gaming w Self insert power fantasy recommendations?

Dragons dogma 1 and 2 fit the bill I think. 2 more so than the first.

DoucheBagMcSwag, do gaming w I hate how CoD is all microscopic maps now thanks to Shipment 24/7

Brain rot

Black Ops 6

You already lost

Malix, do gaming w Self insert power fantasy recommendations?
@Malix@sopuli.xyz avatar

While it’s not indie: Cyberpunk 2077?

You can make your character as pretty as you please (though, no “sex appeal” -slider like in Saint’s Row :D). Also, no 3rd person camera, so you’d only see your character in inventory screen. Otherwise there’s bit of boobies to be seen - and massive amounts if you so choose with modding.

Difficultywise it’ll cater to very casual approach, but the game does the “bethesda-thing” where you will end up as destroyer of worlds regardless of difficulty.

edit: btw, you might want to specify your platform? No modding for cyberpunk on consoles as of yet, I just assumed PC here.

Don_alForno,

Also, no 3rd person camera, so you’d only see your character in inventory screen.

That’s why you ride bikes, d’uh!

Malix,
@Malix@sopuli.xyz avatar

regarding OP, kinda bummer that the bike bug which lead to nude A-posing when riding a bike was fixed.

I did goof with it when it was still a thing: https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/2b36c192-ea07-4976-b7f4-9f608b9adfba.webp

MummysLittleBloodSlut,

Sorry, CDPR is too close to the companies they’re trying to satirise in the game. Satire isn’t funny when it’s hypocritical. After that cosplay contest, I’m never giving Projekt Red a cent.

Duke_Nukem_1990,

What…what cosplay contest?

MummysLittleBloodSlut,

One of the finalists was a cis woman who pretended to be trans. She put a glowstick in her pants to cosplay the Chromanticore model. CDPR decided to reward that with a feature on their Twitter.

comically_cluttered, (edited )

I’d rather not wade into the larger “CDPR is transphobic” debate, but here’s an article from Polygon from a few years ago detailing some stuff, including the cosplay contest controversy:

polygon.com/…/cyberpunk-2077-marketing-cd-projekt…

To save you from reading the whole thing, basically, during the run-up to Cyberpunk’s release, CDPR got very… edgelord with their marketing.

One of the more controversial pieces of marketing was an in-universe poster advertising a drink called “Mix It Up”, which depicts what appears to be a trans woman in a highly sexualized manner.

They then organized a cosplay contest for further marketing and that resulted in another controversy related to the poster, wherein a cisgender woman cosplayed as the depicted trans woman, CDPR made it one of the finalists in the contest, and it predictably led to outcry for being tone-deaf at best, malicious at worst.

The larger issues with the poster itself (and CDPR as a whole) are in the article, but the cosplay thing really comes down to this bit in the article:

CDPR also included a cisgender cosplayer as the Mix It Up girl among their cosplay contest finalists. Even if you buy the company line that the poster represents how queer bodies have been appropriated for marketing, their entire argument is negated when they have a cis person dress up in that queer body as part of their own video game marketing.

If you’re thinking perhaps the model was well-meaning, attempting to create a trans-positive cosplay, trying to further highlight queer commodification CDPR spoke of originally, or just a misguided ally who got it wrong this time around, I have bad (yet predictable) news for you. Yugoro Forge, the cosplayer in question, tweeted that her costumes are “beyond politics,” and when pushed on the fact her Cyberpunk 2077 costume dehumanized trans people who are already subject to violence so frequently, she replied, “many cis men and women face acts of harassment and violence on a daily basis as well.”

So you’ve basically got them saying the poster is satire, but then they’re not only doing exactly what they claim they’re satirizing, but doing it in a way that can be seen as rubbing salt in the wound for people who were already hurt by the initial depiction.

My personal opinion on the whole thing is that they really just fucked up and couldn’t read the room, but they do also have a history of being less-than-kind to the queer community themselves (seen in the article), so I can understand why people view the company as hypocritical in regards to the whole thing.

Sophocles, do gaming w Self insert power fantasy recommendations?

These come to mind where you can kill enemies, be a girl, and are or are similar to an rpg:

Middle Earth: Shadow of War: main character is a guy but in one of the expansions you can play the story as Galadriel. Killing monsters and game mechanics are peak

Skyrim Mods: ik you mentioned Skyrim, but The Wheels of Lull, The Tools of Kagrenac, and The Forgotten City are game sized mods in of themselves and are very good

Elder Scrolls III Morrowind and IV Oblivion: both as good as Skyrim, but in different ways. Go in with an open mind and you will be amazed

Star Wars KOTOR I & II: my favorite games of all time, very much games where you can choose how your character acts and who they become. Great story too, as a fan of star wars or not

MummysLittleBloodSlut,

I beat Morrowind, and I like it, but nobody in that game is pretty. KOTOR is closer to what I want, but it’s very plot-y, and I already beat them both. I want something less thinky and faster paced.

SteleTrovilo,

Morrowind has mods that make characters prettier (this is an understatement). I highly recommend them.

GeeDubHayduke, do gaming w Self insert power fantasy recommendations?

No Mass Effect? Too AAA?

knokelmaat,

This is the one, playing through 1 for the second time right now and it’s just so good. It’s my first time as female Shepard and I think I like her more than male Shepard!

GeeDubHayduke,

Gotta love anything with Jennifer Hale. My male Sheps are always more physical, like Soldier, and my female Sheps are always more biotic. Tho, no matter how hard i try, I’m almost never very renegade-y.

MummysLittleBloodSlut,

Too much plot, not enough horde-stomping

GeeDubHayduke,

Fair 'nuff

HER0,
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Does the Mass Effect 3 multiplayer count, then? There are RPG elements, there are a bunch of playable women, and it is all about stomping hordes.

If this sounds appealing and you aren’t already aware: this is not available in the remaster. Andromeda has a version of this, too.

TheObviousSolution, do games w What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.
@TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee avatar

So 50% score loss because of a permissive EULA, got it …

I’ll just leave this in the “Pitchforks against Pitchford” and “Woke, must hate” folder. Call me back when they do actually include a rootkit in their games instead of jumping the gun because loud feelings say loud things. If only there was some way to get statistics of the people getting outraged because of posts in a subreddit community and the people who don’t have a problem with rootkits installed by their favorite MMOs.

MonkRome,

Let’s try this logic on other things. Their EULA says they can cut off a finger whenever they want. They haven’t cut off my finger for my purchase of this game, call me back when they cut it off.

If you’re someone that doesn’t want companies to have root level access to your computer, waiting until it happens is silly when they’re telling you it’s gonna happen. It is every reason to complain and be concerned.

sugar_in_your_tea,

It’s probably a common EULA for all games, so they probably added it to carify the terms for some other game that includes it.

TheObviousSolution, (edited )
@TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee avatar

No offense, but have you ever read EULAs? Even Windows EULA has a lot of “cut off a finger” provisions. It’s invasive, and people are right to complain. People might cry Linux, but when their job requires them to use Windows and abide by that EULA, most will crumble.

Like it or not, most EULAs are legally binding bullshit that more often than not has to be ignored or bypassed outside of it if necessary. How many people are watching YouTube and ignoring their Terms of Service while using adblockers?

This is nothing new in the world of gaming, and to the scale of affecting over 50% of the score of a game for a provision that is often included in other games they have no problem with is what’s revealing. A lot of MMOs and many multiplayer games do, but people haven’t cried wolf outside of a minority of their community. Pitchford has given his explanation, that it is a matter of the 2K EULA Gearbox has to adopt.

Let’s try this logic on other things. Are all 2K games that have this in their newly updated EULA’s being boycotted? Hint: Civilization is a 2K game.

Some things are just obvious when your head is not stuck inside the ass of a circlejerk bandwagon. It’s just sad that some people aren’t honest with themselves and and are not willing to recognize how easily they are influenced by people who are holding hidden grudges. Too many games are getting shit on because of this, and I say this as someone who is not looking forward to the next Borderlands game until the discounts drop it well below its 80 dollar price tag several years from now while plenty of loud people in this thread will go out to buy it on day one.

MonkRome,

I agree they should expand their review protest to all games in the catalog and not selectively review bomb. Consumers have every reason to impact products success through their purchasing power and reviews. I stopped giving my money to game companies I don’t like a decade ago. It means missing some games, but there is so much out there it hardly matters. I don’t give a shit about this specific controversy, but I do think people have every reason to use their bully pulpit to attempt to impact consumer habits and therefore at least attempt change, even if they are often unsuccessful.

gamermanh,

I’ll just leave this in the “Pitchforks against Pitchford” and “Woke, must hate” folder.

So you’re an idiot?

TheObviousSolution,
@TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee avatar

People do complain about rootkits, but a reaction on this scale means it might be more fitting for you to reply to the mirror.

MyFriendGodzilla,

Lol go home Randy, you’re drunk.

TheObviousSolution,
@TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee avatar

… Do you really believe I am Randy Pitchford? Whow, so that’s the bar for IQ around these parts …

lowleekun,

You should hold a class on how to insert “woke” into every conversation.

TheObviousSolution,
@TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee avatar

Because of a single comment? No need to hold a class about your criteria.

kbal, do gaming w Self insert power fantasy recommendations?
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

There are lots of new Skyrim mods since the last time you played it. Even if that was only last week.

Kusimulkku, do gaming w Steep learning curves

Why wouldn’t you expect to get rocked tbh. You are brand new, how else should it go

Stamets,
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

Skill based matchmaking?

Kusimulkku,

Probably frustrating for anyone who doesn’t want to play with others who don’t know how to play

Stamets,
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

That makes literally zero sense. The point of skill based match making is that you’re matched against people who are equivalent to your skill level. It allows skilled players to go against skilled players and newbies to git gud.

nokturne213,

What they are saying is if they cannot curb stomp noobs the game is unfair.

Kusimulkku,

Well close, I’m saying I don’t mind being curb stomped as a noob by experienced players

TwanHE,

Idk there is something I miss about older games where I slowly got better until I was the person on top of the scoreboard.

Also SBMM has some problems for better players depending on the implementation, at the end of the ranking bell curve it stops working. Often the skill difference between a top 100k player and a top 1k player is the same as between a top 1k and top 100 player.

But the top 1k all fall within the same matchmaking pool, even if it leads to unfair games.

Currently experiencing this within The Finals where I regularly get put against a full stack of top 20 players while either solo or duo q myself (were top 2500).

Kusimulkku,

And who do you play against early on before it has assessed your skill level?

shoo,

Kind of ironic for the meme because cod 4 did have a version of sbmm.

Skill based matchmaking is the worst thing to happen to team based games in my memory. Theoretically it should lead to engaging games but it usually just is a mishmash of the high mmr players being high as a kite and low mmr players that got carried too far.

Just feels like, why try if you’re guaranteed a 50% win rate no matter what? That leads to more friction between the people checking out and playing for fun and people playing to make their mmr bigger.

It used to be fun to see your progression relative to the lobby and how you were improving over time. If it felt too easy you could give yourself a handicap with an off meta gun/strat. If it was hard it felt extra good to have the rare game as a top performer.

And before people say “you just like stomping noobs”, I’ve been on both sides in many games. Floated top 2-3% in Rocket League and hated every minute, been a cellar dweller in some shooters and had hundreds of hours of fun.

Panties, do gaming w Self insert power fantasy recommendations?

I’m not sure if Rollerdrome might be your thing, but I enjoyed it. You play as a girl competing in a roller-skating death arena. It’s a bit like Tony hawk games, but combat plays a huge role, it’s very satisfying and it’s very well integrated with the rollerskating. I really enjoyed the first ten or so scenarios, but I’m not so good at score based games so I never finished it.

wirelesswire, do gaming w Self insert power fantasy recommendations?

Last Epoch: Fun ARPG with a couple different female characters available. The buildcraft complexity strikes a sweet spot between Path of Exile and Diablo 4. You can definitely turn your brain off and kill enemies by the truckload.

Fallout 4: Along the lines of Skyrim, just swap fantasy with post-apocalyptic sci-fi. You can play as a girl, and see plenty of tiddies depending on mods (shoutout to the “A Storywealth” collection on Nexusmods).

Fallout 3 and New Vegas: see above, just older.

Wayfinder: fun RPG game with set characters, but a few are girls. Combat was fun IMO. This one started as a live service game, but after backlash and their publisher dropping them, the devs rebuilt the game as a pay-to-play game with an end.

Bayonetta: kill tons of baddies with over-the-top combat as a sexy witch.

Dynasty Warriors & other “musou” games: lumping these together, but girls to play and TONS of enemies to kill

Granblue Fantasy: Relink: plenty of girls to play as, and fun combat. Honestly, the biggest drawback to this one IMO is not enough content after you finish the campaign.

Saints Row 2, 3, 4: definitely self-indulgent trash, definitely boobs, still fun

ReplicantBatty,

I’d also recommend Saints Row 2 and 3. It starts off pretty normal but you get OP pretty fast to the point where you’re like an unstoppable force of nature, it becomes completely gratuitous and over the top. Pretty decent character customization as well.

Stamets, do gaming w An ancient relic
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

Horizon: Zero Dawn vibes

Deflated0ne, do gaming w Duality of Games
@Deflated0ne@lemmy.world avatar

The more gay the more fun.

Justdaveisfine, do gaming w An ancient relic

I actually just played this yester… Oh, hold on got to set the Wiimote down on a flat surface to calibrate it.

Goretantath,

Start wearing the wrist strap and maybe you wouldnt need to recalibrate it so much. All the shock damage can’t be good for it since all 4 of mine only ever had to be recalibrated twice in their life.

Justdaveisfine,

Wii sports resort makes you calibrate every connected wiimote each time you launch a game.

Its quick but a little annoying.

Swedneck, do gaming w Steep learning curves
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

this is why you ditch competitive games in favour of cooperative ones, greybeards mentor greenbeards.

Kepion,

Rock and stone yeeeeeaah

Ephera,

I thought, this was what the post is about. Then I saw the fist…

Janovich,

Heck yeah. I play Helldivers a ton and when a newbie is in my game I bring a mech suit and some kind of secondary weapon for them to use an experience just how cool it can be. Someone did it for me and I’m definitely passing it on whenever I can.

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