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warm, do games w Is overwatch 2 really that bad?

Nah, they took the fun out of it to sell skins.

kindenough, do games w Is overwatch 2 really that bad?

Your time in this world is one of your most valuable assets. If a game is incredibly boring to you, you should put it down and play something else that you enjoy.

Tanoh,

The same goes for pretty much everything in life, not just games. It might suck in the short term, but just don’t put up with friends/partners/jobs you don’t like. Make a change

Jumi, do games w Is overwatch 2 really that bad?

I got hooked by the gameplay so even though I’m disgusted by the monetisation I come back almost every day.

Carighan, do games w Is overwatch 2 really that bad?
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

It’s… okay?

It’s a bit hard to describe. Overwatch 1 was a bit magical when it came out. It was the WoW of team FPS. Everyone (and their mother) played it. This made it this fascinating thing where your default way of hanging out with friends would be to be on voicechat and chat away while playing OW.
It’s unbalanced and ridiculous cadre of character loadouts also enabled just about everyone to play the game. Do they have amazing reflexes? Give them Genji or Hanzo. Do they have damn awesome aim? Hanzi, Widow, Cassidy (McCree at the time). Do they not have aim worth speaking of? Symmetra, Mercy, Bastion, Reinhardt, lots of options in fact. So you could always talk friends into buying it, and they’d enjoy it!

Now, of course, as such as game ages, players get better and better at exploiting the imbalances, so naturally there’s a bigger pressure on balancing.

But the crucial breaking point IMO came not with OW2, but a long time before that. When this need for more balancing arose, instead of embracing the ridiculous nature of many character loadouts, Blizzard worked against it. In their desire to become the biggest esport, they saw a need to make every character as skill-based as possible, to focus on individual player contributions and individual aim and reflexes. Lots and lots and lots and lots of balance changes slowly pushed the overall core of the game from first being about finding out who you as a player are, then picking a character fitting you, to having to mold yourself into “an FPS player”, because even Torbjörn, Symmetra, Bastion and Pharah need to aim quite a bit now.

And as this progressed, I could see my friends drifting away from the game. The game became effort to play. Not something you can have in the background while spending an evening chatting along on Discord, catching up. And Overwatch was at its core this social thing, so once some drifted off, so did more and more. And eventually, so did I.

Overwatch 2 was merely… how do I say… the end of this chrysalis stage of Overwatch’s life? What emerged from it was the final form of a more esports and twitch-aim-centric game. Gone were the double tanks leading to extremely slow kill times (which in turn meant players who lacked the reflexes to engage in twitch-gunning no longer had the time needed to react to anything), with it gone were the days of cohesive teams where everyone had a singular role, instead you needed to first and foremost be able to fend for and defend yourself, only then would you integrate with the team. Because otherwise you were long dead already.
But this was merely the result of finalizing the change that began all the way back with early post-release OW1 balancing.

IMO, OW1 could have been an absolutely fantastic social lightweight team FPS, if they had embraces the chaos and non-FPS-y nature of much of it. Instead they abolished it. OW2 is but a shadow of this former glory. It’s a decent enough team FPS, but eh, it’s also nothing special any more.

Buttflapper,

Thanks for the awesome response. What do you recommend as an alternative? Valorant? TF2?

Chee_Koala,

Deadlock? If you need an invite (does anyone still, I genuinely don’t know?) HMU

Kuvwert,

I’d like an invite to deadlock!

Nefara,

This is really well articulated and puts into words the reason I stopped playing. I was one of those non FPS players who really thrived on Sym and Moira and Mercy and I felt welcomed and appreciated when it first came out. I just had fun and that made me want to try to get better and kept me coming back. As they kept retooling things, especially with Sym 3.0, I felt they were deliberately pushing me and people like me out. Instead of having a fun, wild and playful team game for my friends to all have a good time in, it became just another FPS game.

thingsiplay, (edited ) do gaming w TIL I can restore games on Steam, which I removed years ago

Yes, removed games are not really removed, just hidden. And for the reader here, we are not talking about hiding in the client. If you go to support page of game at help.steampowered.com/en/wizard/HelpWithGame and click “I want to permanently remove this game from my account”, then its like you wouldn’t own the game anymore.

Not many know you can go to same page and restore the license. It’s noted that you get the same license of game than before, not a new license. I don’t know why Steam has the permanent removal, if its not permanent at all. But now you know; you can restore. And that is what the user in this post is talking about.

Edit: I thought about why that maybe. It makes sense to keep the license bound to an account, so the key cannot be activated again by someone else. Otherwise people could sell their activated keys like that.

Tarogar,

There are reasons for why that is possible, for better or worse.

To reverse malicious actions that may have been taken by other people that got access to the account for any reason for example.

There may even be legal reasons for why that is the case. Licensing law can be quite complicated.

And then there is the fact that if it’s hidden it’s effectively gone anyways and that may actually be what people actually care about. Not whether or not they technically still have that game or not. People wanting a clean library is a thing and it ties into the concept that is the right to be forgotten.

CommanderCloon,

Also, even if it was permanent, it would still be something like a permanently_removed set to TRUE in a database. License keys is probably one of those things no company truly ever deletes from their records.

Tarogar,

Yet… Ubisoft did go and “remove” the keys for the crew when they shut that one down. No one but them can really say if they actually deleted them or not. though I have my doubts with how that company has acted in recent years.

averyminya,

I feel like the main reason would be money laundering prevention. It’s slightly harder to create new accounts than it would be to have one account repeatedly buy, remove, and repeat for new licenses.

curbstickle, do gaming w TIL I can restore games on Steam, which I removed years ago

The bigger issue to me are games that were removed from steam and I can no longer get.

Which is why I don’t bother buying on steam anymore. If I’m buying, its DRM-free only.

Chuymatt,

I’ve yet to have that happen, I think. What games have you experienced that with?

Midnitte,

Nearly 900 games have been delisted.

There’s also Fable 3, which you can’t buy anymore because it used Games for Windows, which resulted in no more CD keys.

blindsight,

Right, but Steam still let’s people who own delisted games download and play them forever. (Well, assuming they’re not live service games with no servers, but that’s not a Valve problem.)

thingsiplay,

I believe you can still activate keys for delisted games. Meaning if you find a shop that sells them, you might be lucky. I never did that, just read reports of this. So can’t actually verify if this is true. Provided there is no additional third party launcher or activation that hinders this.

Baguette,

One example are most telltale games which still are still playable but not purchaseable (poker night at the inventory being the most recognizable for me since the associated tf2 items are also now that much harder to obtain)

curbstickle,

Honestly don’t remember the names, its been… Quite a while. I’ll have to open and check.

Iirc it was also some I stored as gifts that became unknown or something, and I wasn’t able to send them.

TachyonTele,

I have multiple delisted games in my library that I can still download and play anytime I want. They just don’t have a store page anymore.

JackbyDev, do games w Is overwatch 2 really that bad?

They started charging for new heroes and made free cosmetics more difficult to obtain while adding other forms of monetization. Overwatch 1 was (somewhat) unique in that if you bought the game you had all the characters. I think this is these are the biggest reasons people are upset. There are other things like the lack of a promised co-op mode and a different format for matches but those are more subjective. It’s hard to view Overwatch 2 as anything other than reworking the games monetization with little to no benefit for players. Calling it Overwatch 2 didn’t help. It’s Overwatch. It’s not a new game. It’s just a new version. The old version can’t be played.

intensely_human, do games w Why Do People Still Play Destiny 2?

I play games for the gameplay, don’t really care about story.

I haven’t played Destiny in a while but if I did it would be for the same reason a person keeps buying new sudoku books: I like solving the puzzles that the levels represent.

I think Destiny is cool in that it’s co-op and you can encounter other players and temporarily team up with them.

I really wish we had the computing power to make a game that was basically massively coop Halo: one big war against the Covenant that everyone can fight in on the side of Humanity.

collapse_already, do games w Why Do People Still Play Destiny 2?

I have been playing it for 6 years. The gun play is great. It gets regular updates. I still have fun. I wish the pvp player pool was bigger so that match making would work better.

CasualGameFromSomewhere, do games w I Completed Assassin's Creed Blackflag And I'm Crying Why It "ENDED"

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  • MeekerThanBeaker, do games w I Completed Assassin's Creed Blackflag And I'm Crying Why It "ENDED"

    They made an animated web series that follows Kenway:

    m.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/…/list?title_no=5273

    They made a similar style game with Assassin’s Creed: Rogue and with different characters. I enjoyed it, but not nearly as much as the original.

    www.ubisoft.com/en-us/game/…/rogue-remastered

    And IV will likely get a remake:

    ign.com/…/ubisoft-ceo-confirms-multiple-assassins…

    ricdeh,
    @ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

    Hmmm I love Rogue, it’s such an emotional journey and to me the most compelling and interesting story-wise, seeing an Assassin turn into a Templar and underlining the hubris of the Order of Assassins

    Blackout, do games w I Completed Assassin's Creed Blackflag And I'm Crying Why It "ENDED"
    @Blackout@fedia.io avatar

    Awesome game. I would sail for hours and listen to the men sing

    Rhynoplaz, do games w I Completed Assassin's Creed Blackflag And I'm Crying Why It "ENDED"

    The only Assassin’s Creed games I finished were 2 and Black Flag. I don’t remember how it ends, but it was so much fun!

    etchinghillside, do games w I Completed Assassin's Creed Blackflag And I'm Crying Why It "ENDED"

    I wish this had Steam achievements so I had more excuses to replay it.

    aaaa, do gaming w 800 euros? No thanks.

    They would sell ps5s in a bicycle shop

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