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jordanlund, (edited ) do gaming w What is up with Baldur's Gate 3?
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I think there are three vectors going on:

  1. It’s apparently a super good game. I’m just basing it on reviews, I won’t be playing it until the PS5 version launches.
  2. It has nudity and is being described as “super horny”, so, you know, clickbait.

pcgamer.com/baldurs-gate-3-is-the-horniest-rpg-iv…

rockpapershotgun.com/baldurs-gate-3-is-a-relentle…

  1. They are having problems getting it running on the Xbox Series S, and that’s blocking it from being released on the fully capable Xbox Series X. So nerdrage/console war clickbait.

rockpapershotgun.com/baldurs-gate-3-is-a-relentle…

jordanlund, do gaming w Why Baldur’s Gate III is an accidental PS5 console exclusive
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The S was just a bad idea from the get go. The Xbox One X introduced 4K gaming, 4K televisions are dirt cheap and the defacto standard now, why bother doing an under-powered 1440p machine? Even if you wanted a cheaper option, it doesn’t make sense coming out with a machine that belongs in the last generation, not the current one.

They should have gone the Sony route… Series X, Digital Series X. $499/$399.

If they wanted a $299 box, keep the One X alive for 1-2 more years then kill it. Still a better choice than the Series S.

jordanlund, do gaming w Why Baldur’s Gate III is an accidental PS5 console exclusive
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Yeah, I don’t see how that 2GB at 32gb/s is useful for much of anything. :( It’s a severe handicap.

jordanlund, do gaming w Why Baldur’s Gate III is an accidental PS5 console exclusive
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That’s still more RAM than the S has available once you take system overhead into account.

tomshardware.com/…/xbox-series-s-suffers-from-vra…

jordanlund, do gaming w Why Baldur’s Gate III is an accidental PS5 console exclusive
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They COULD blame it on the S, but, again, Microsoft won’t allow it.

What I’m hoping they do, on the next hardware refresh, is a discless Series X and just ditch the S completely.

There is precedent when they axed the Xbox One and replaced it with the S and X.

jordanlund, do gaming w Why Baldur’s Gate III is an accidental PS5 console exclusive
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Tell me you don’t know anything about game development without telling me you don’t know anything about game development.

jordanlund, do gaming w Why Baldur’s Gate III is an accidental PS5 console exclusive
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That’s not the way split screen works.

Each view of the world requires that the entire visible world be loaded twice, so that it can be seen from each players perspective independent of the other.

If we go into a dungeon, I go left and you go right, it has to render both pathways simultaneously. In a single player or single screen two player game, it only has one path to consider.

jordanlund, do gaming w Why Baldur’s Gate III is an accidental PS5 console exclusive
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At least this way they can blame it on the S instead of just being the ganked version.

I remember when Mortal Kombat came out censored on the SNES and uncensored on the Genesis, not a technical limitation, but a policy limitation. Not a good look.

jordanlund, do gaming w Why Baldur’s Gate III is an accidental PS5 console exclusive
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Releasing it without a feature that the PS5 does would be bad for the brand. “Sega does what Nintendon’t” and all that…

jordanlund, do gaming w Why Baldur’s Gate III is an accidental PS5 console exclusive
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Microsoft is OK with the S having a lower resolution and frame rate, that’s why it exists.

They aren’t OK with the X having a feature that the S does not, and that’s what’s blocking Baldur’s Gate 3. Split screen is possible on the X, it’s not (currently) possible on the S, that’s what they’re working on.

Removing split screen from both isn’t an option because the PS5 version supports it. The Xbox version would get murdered if they do it.

The reason why split screen doesn’t work on the S is, yes, due to the available memory. At it’s best, it has 8GB that runs 1/2 the speed of the X, + another 2GB that are so slow as to be essentially useless for gaming.

jordanlund, do gaming w Why Baldur’s Gate III is an accidental PS5 console exclusive
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It’s not that it’s unoptimized, it’s that running split screen requires 2x resources, resources the Series S does not have.

jordanlund, do gaming w Why Baldur’s Gate III is an accidental PS5 console exclusive
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RAM is the big bottle neck here.

Here’s the comparison:

PS5: 16 GB/256-bit GDDR6 SDRAM
512 MB DDR4 RAM

Series X: 10 GB/320-bit & 6 GB/192-bit (16 GB total)

Series S: 8 GB/128-bit & 2 GB/32-bit (10 GB total)

But more than that, it’s the speeds involved:

PS5 Peak Bandwidth 448 GB/s
Xbox Series X 10 GB 560 GB/s and 6 GB 336 GB/s
Xbox Series S 8 GB 224 GB/s and 2 GB with 56 GB/s

So not just less RAM, but at 1/2 the speed.

jordanlund, (edited ) do gaming w Why Baldur’s Gate III is an accidental PS5 console exclusive
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The problem isn’t scale, the problem is rendering the game twice for split screen with only 10GB of RAM.

To put this in perspective, the Xbox ONE X has more ram than the Series S. 12 vs. 10.

If you want to solve that problem purely by scaling the graphics, yeah, I bet they could do it in 640x480…

jordanlund, do gaming w Microsoft’s Xbox Series S Parity Demands Are Now Handing Sony Free Wins
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It has less RAM than the Xbox ONE X as well and is incapable of running backwards compatible games with Xbox One X enhancements.

videogameschronicle.com/…/xbox-series-s-likely-wo…

jordanlund, do gaming w Microsoft’s Xbox Series S Parity Demands Are Now Handing Sony Free Wins
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Something I’ve been saying since the beginning, nice that people are catching up…

FTA: “The Xbox Series S was cheaper, but lacked the horsepower of the more expensive Series X.”

It’s not just that, the Series S lacks the power of the PREVIOUS GEN Xbox One X. The RAM limitations makes it impossible for it to run backwards compatible titles with the Xbox One X enhancements. AND it doesn’t have the 4K Blu Ray drive present in both the Xbox One S and Xbox One X.

videogameschronicle.com/…/xbox-series-s-likely-wo…

This is the first time a console developer has released a new machine less capable than equivalent machines in the prior generation.

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