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TommySoda, w Starlink is increasingly interfering with astronomy, scientists say

As someone that uses Starlink due to nothing else being in my area, I hate everything about this. Sure the convenience of having internet wherever I want is nice, but this still sucks. Especially since I’m a huge space nerd so this shit just hurts my soul.

AlexWIWA,

In your defense, there should be internet in your area but the government dropped the ball and let Comcast scam them.

TommySoda,

My favorite part is that bout 5 miles down the highway they have fibre optic. They’ve been “installing” it for about 4 or 5 years now. They’ve had the spool just sitting outside for half that time.

AlexWIWA,

God that’s just depressing

14th_cylon,

5 miles is doable with a wirless link. it of course depends on other factors, like having visibility, but it is not impossible.

ekZepp, w ESO telescope captures the most detailed infrared map ever of our Milky Way
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daisyKutter, w Betelgeuse has a tiny companion star hidden in plain sight
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Named Lydia?

Zachariah, w Betelgeuse has a tiny companion star hidden in plain sight
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After more than a century of speculation, data seem to confirm that Betelgeuse (the brightest star in the Orion constellation, shown here) has a much smaller star as an orbital companion.

Two independent studies found evidence of a star about the same mass as the sun, orbiting Betelgeuse about once every 2,100 days.

Lemming6969, w Dark Matter Black Holes Could Fly through the Solar System Once a Decade

What if dark matter is some form of black hole or exotic ultra dense material made entirely out of the missing antimatter, which for whatever reason doesn’t otherwise interact with electromagnetism? 2 birds, 1 stone.

Bluetreefrog, w Dark Matter Black Holes Could Fly through the Solar System Once a Decade
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The book, Seven Eves is about one of these hitting the moon.

Davel23,

The cause of the incident is never specified in the book.

thebardingreen,
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The book Earth by David Brin is about one of these hitting the Earth

Gork, w Dark Matter Black Holes Could Fly through the Solar System Once a Decade

What would happen if one of these tiny black holes hit Earth? The article doesn’t really talk about it.

Donjuanme,

Absolutely nothing.

Also not sure why they wouldn’t evaporate nearly instantaneously. Sounds to me like more dark matter bunk.

deegeese,

Passing near the earth, we’d get some strange tides. Passing through the earth, it would eat earth.

Rhaedas,
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Nonsense. The event horizon on such things is incredibly small, as is the mass vs. that of Earth.

deegeese,

You don’t need the event horizon, you just need local gravity around 1G. For the masses described in the article, that radius is from hundreds of meters to 10s of kilometers.

Rhaedas,
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Which still wouldn't do what you suggest. The mass is the same, so it has the same effect from a distance. Unless by "eat earth" you meant it would take in dirt until it suck to the core, still about the same mass.

HurlingDurling, w Dark Matter Black Holes Could Fly through the Solar System Once a Decade
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Cool, one more thing to keep me up at night

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lemming, w Dark Matter Black Holes Could Fly through the Solar System Once a Decade

I thought these were disproved by lack of gravitational microlensing?

InvertedParallax,

The main way you’d see that kind of microlensing is if they aggregated.

But given the way gravity works, they should aggregate, otherwise why call them black holes?

Classy,

If they were relatively evenly distributed would that counteract lensing?

InvertedParallax,

Yes, it would just be surprising because, gravity should make them not be evenly distributed.

The whole thing with dark matter is that it’s this magic stuff that causes gravity but isn’t affected by it, which… is not how gravity normally works.

Though there is still room for it, we just need a better framework other than “I added 3 and 5 and got 12, so obviously I must mean to add 3 and 5 and 4 too”.

MartianSands,

You’re mistaken. Dark matter, whatever it is, isn’t affected by anything except gravity. It interacts with gravity just like “normal” matter.

The evidence is also significantly better than you’re describing

InvertedParallax,

Then it should also coelescce, particularly since it doesn’t have the em force to keep it repelled, the universe should be dominated by massive dark matter black holes.

Yes, there’s math that explains part of the distribution, but also there is 0 force opposing any collapse we’d have a lot more neutron stars and other degenerate matter catalyzed by dark matter.

We have hypotheses like this when our observations don’t make sense and we need to explain them, it’s definitely a possibility but we still have room to understand the large scale physics at play.

MartianSands,

You don’t need a force to prevent collapse if there’s no drag force to slow things down. It would actually be almost impossible for a cloud of dark matter to collapse since any individual particle has momentum and no way to slow down, so they’ll all be in some sort of mutual orbit

InvertedParallax,

I’m guessing you’ve seen as many lorentz attractor simulations as I have, what always happens is something like tidal effects or angular momentum means 90% slow down while a few particles get shot out of hell at ludicrous speed.

The effect is similar to drag, and is basically how we get entropy even without em effects.

onlinepersona, w Dark Matter Black Holes Could Fly through the Solar System Once a Decade

Would a regular asteroid be able to wobble the earth as described in this article? Or is it just black holes that should do so?

I seem to remember reading that primordial black holes weren’t yet a proven phenomenon and I have trouble imagining them myself. Wouldn’t they have hawking radiation too which we would be able to detect?

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riodoro1, w Elon Musk destroys astronomy

But people are still shilling for starlink. I was always downvoted for mentioning the kessler syndrome or light pollution. All for progress, I guess we really need that fast internet in the middle of the atlantic.

MartianSands,

People down voting you for bringing up Kessler syndrome were correct to do so. It’s a complete non-issue for starlink-sized objects at that altitude.

Light pollution is a more reasonable objection, and the effects on the upper atmosphere of all those satellites burning up would be as well, but not Kessler syndrome

booly,

It’s a complete non-issue for starlink-sized objects at that altitude.

Yeah. The mass and altitude are too low.

The thing with Kessler Syndrome is that collisions create debris, which cascades with more collisions, until there’s too much debris. But each collision actually results in the loss of kinetic energy or gravitational potential energy overall, so that the subsequent pieces are less energetic and/or less massive. Start with enough mass and enough altitude, and you’ve got a real problem where it can cascade many, many times. But with smaller objects at low altitude, and there’s just not enough energy to cause a runaway reaction.

LordCrom,

Fellow dark sky supporter. Between all the led billboards, sprawl, and all the attempts at education failing… I doubt our children will have any view of the stars at all.

Unless there’s a hurricane that’s wipes out power… Stargazing was excellent for a few nights then.

Mango, w Astronomers discover biggest ever seen black hole jets, which blast hot plasma well beyond their own host galaxy

If it can be infinitely dense inside a black hole, doesn’t that mean the scale doesn’t matter and that the ‘inside’ is pretty much it’s own whole universe with different physics rules?

foofiepie, w Astronomers discover biggest ever seen black hole jets, which blast hot plasma well beyond their own host galaxy

Ok. Permission to ask a mad question. Apologies in advance.

If black holes ‘suck’ everything in… could there be the equivalent of the ‘other side’ of one, that’s mysteriously ejecting a tonne of plasma?

Not saying that’s what this is, just prompted the thought.

imakeninjascry,

Mathematically, it’s possible, but scientists are still skeptical about whether or not they are real. They’re called white holes and you can actually create a model of one in your kitchen sink. If you let the water just hit the bottom and spread out evenly in all directions, you can kind of visualize the way it’s supposed to work. Action Lab on YouTube actually has a pretty good video about it which I suggest watching if you’re interested. youtu.be/p3P4iKb24Ng?si=b3_RHuj0J3F_7DC1

chuckleslord,

Tangent, but you don’t need to include the question mark or anything after in most urls. Definitely not YouTube links. It’s just YouTube telling itself who shared the info (you) and they use that to track shit. But the link works just as well without it, and you’re not voluntary spying on yourself.

imakeninjascry,

Neat! I didn’t know that. I just copied and pasted. Thanks for the info.

rottingleaf, w Elon Musk destroys astronomy

Can we just do things the conservative way and lay more wire?

And where that doesn’t help, use packet radio links?

And where that doesn’t help, use mesh networks?

Why do they have to do it all the ugly and pretentious way?

HurlingDurling,
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If he could he would arrange the sattelites to spell his name on the sky

PennyRoyal, w Starlink is increasingly interfering with astronomy, scientists say

It’s not the only problem with them, and potentially not the biggest either - there is no plan to remove or maintain them when they die other than de-orbiting them into the upper atmosphere. A recent study suggests that this will critically harm the ozone layer, and that adding metallic particles in the quantities implied by the number of starlink satellites that Elmo plans to launch could do far more damage to the ozone layer than our previous attempts to screw it up!

Article - sciencealert.com/satellites-like-starlink-could-p…

Study - agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/…/2024GL109280

threelonmusketeers,

Yeah, aluminium oxide particles may be a problem. Some scientists are experimenting with replacing aluminium with wood. I wonder if this would be feasible on future Starlink sats.

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