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HurlingDurling, w James Webb Space Telescope Finds Stunning Evidence for Alternate Theory of Gravity - The Debrief
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Can I get an ELI5?

partiallycyber,

Disclaimer: I’m not well versed in astrophysics.

Ok, so: you know how Earth is part of the solar system? And the solar system is part of a large collection of stars and planets called a galaxy?

Well, there’s lots of galaxies out there! And scientists for a long time have been trying to figure out how they formed - how did all the stars get close to each other? Why aren’t they just randomly drifting around?

Currently, everyone believes that there’s this magic stuff called “dark matter” that pulled the stars together to make galaxies. Kinda like how magnets pull things close to them!

And because galaxies are so big it would take a long time to pull the stars close together! Which means young galaxies would look less bright because the stars aren’t all close together yet, like they are with older galaxies.

So that’s what everyone believes.

But we’re getting pictures from a really strong telescope that’s showing us that young galaxies are brighter than we expected! Which is weird and exciting because it means that young galaxies might have been pulled together faster than we used to think! And our old theories about galaxy creation might be wrong!

There’s a theory that explains how galaxies could come together quickly, without dark matter, but it doesn’t really fit with many other theories we have about how the world works, so lots of people are thinking really hard to figure out how they might fit together.

And that’s what science is all about! Finding out new information that shows you that you were wrong in the past, and using that information to figure out new ways to act and think in the future!

HurlingDurling,
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That’s awesome! Thanks for the explanation!

quicksand,

Thanks for Bill Nye-ing this for me. Appreciate your summary

echo, w James Webb Space Telescope Finds Stunning Evidence for Alternate Theory of Gravity - The Debrief

There is no gravity… Earth just sucks…

Kolanaki, w James Webb Space Telescope Finds Stunning Evidence for Alternate Theory of Gravity - The Debrief
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Is is the theory that little, invisible gremlins are just constantly pulling things down? 🤔

Idontevenknowanymore, w James Webb Space Telescope Finds Stunning Evidence for Alternate Theory of Gravity - The Debrief

I understood about 8% of that article but it’s still fascinating.

Deconceptualist,

I follow this stuff (as a non-physicist) so I understood it. It’s a pretty shallow article and mentions there there’s still evidence for the widely-accepted Lambda-CDM model. But like most coverage of MOND it declines to give good alternate explanations for specific key observations like the Bullet Cluster, gravitational lensing, and galactic outer rotational speeds.

So yeah a new observation that fits better with MOND than LCDM is certainly interesting, but it doesn’t flip the tables unless it does a better job explaining the prior phenomena too.

Idontevenknowanymore,

I understand the two theories and the difference between them, but when my brain tries to comprehend how gravity actually works I experience a comprehension failure.

Deconceptualist,

Haha, well if it’s any consolation, nobody fully understands it. That’s why we’re still looking at various theories of quantum gravity or even random gravity.

plinky, (edited ) w James Webb Space Telescope Finds Stunning Evidence for Alternate Theory of Gravity - The Debrief
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Ooh new pbs spacetime will be sweet. (Although mond seems kinda meh).

🙏 wrong distance measurement (or light speed shenanigans) would be most fun to observe from outside of astronomy field, although they seemed kinda solid

RaymondPierreL3, w James Webb Space Telescope Finds Stunning Evidence for Alternate Theory of Gravity - The Debrief
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  • Deconceptualist,

    Hypothesis, sure. But it needs to hold up to testing better than Lambda-CDM if we’re gonna call it the best hypothesis.

    vzq, w Roman Space Telescope reaches assembly milestone

    When your space program delays are so massive that your empire hasn’t existed for 1500 years, but your payload is still in the assembly stage.

    threelonmusketeers,

    Nancy Grace Roman

    She may be elderly, but she’s not quite that ancient :)

    kemsat, w Nearly three years since launch, Webb is a hit among astronomers

    Oh damn, I thought it’d be tennis players that were gonna be into the space telescope.

    FooBarrington,

    That doesn’t even make sense. If anything it would obviously be Baseball players.

    NigelFrobisher, w Telescope with world’s largest digital camera will be a ‘game-changer’ for astronomy

    This will be able to take the most detailed pictures of Uranus yet.

    jqubed, w Telescope with world’s largest digital camera will be a ‘game-changer’ for astronomy
    @jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

    I wish it said more about the camera sensor; guess I’ll have to look that up separately

    Imhotep, w Brought my Celestron NexStar 6SE out on a camping trip last weekend and pointed it at the moon

    that celestron sure is a powerful flashlight!

    acockworkorange,

    Daaaaaad

    Imhotep,

    oh shit, it already started

    dudinax, w NASA Reveals Prototype Telescope for Gravitational Wave Observatory

    Wow it’s tiny

    tate,
    @tate@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Telescope is almost a misnomer here. It will be “looking” at other satellites, not astronomically distant objects.

    The influence of gravitational waves will be seen in changes in the relative distance to each of the six satellites.

    threelonmusketeers,

    Yes, but also no.

    Each side of the triangular array will measure nearly 1.6 million miles, or 2.5 million kilometers.

    The satellites themselves may be small, but the interferometer antenna they’ll collectively form will be huge.

    slazer2au, w Telescope with world’s largest digital camera will be a ‘game-changer’ for astronomy

    Here’s hoping starlink and similar Space junk doesn’t mess it up.

    sinkingship, w Brought my Celestron NexStar 6SE out on a camping trip last weekend and pointed it at the moon

    Ah, this is probably the right community to ask.

    What are those stripes leading to the crater, here in the upper left?

    I’ve noticed them before, but when I try looking it up, I usually only find results for Saturn’s moon.

    Beautiful picture, op!

    ns1,

    Not an expert but I’d guess that is Tycho crater, and the stripes are called its ray system en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_system

    sinkingship,

    Interesting, thank you for the reply! Learned something new today. The lines I see span over a quarter or so of the moon, so I’m not fully convinced yet. Absolute massive.

    threelonmusketeers, w Brought my Celestron NexStar 6SE out on a camping trip last weekend and pointed it at the moon

    Nice photo!

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