Pathing should be low hanging fruit here. Most NPCs don’t need accurate pathing, and can use a much faster algorithm to calculate. Hopefully the devs do a round of optimizations for late game content since that seems to be where most of the issues are.
We don’t know how their NPCs are built though. The pathing seems to be the same for every NPC that moves, so I bet its baked in somewhere up the inheritance tree. They already use ocular occlusion to take down some of the clutter out of view. The fact is the city probably pushes the limits of the engine in its current state.
Oh it’s certainly pushing it to the limits, which is why they need to change things. If it’s pathing, they have a ton of options to make it smoother, since most NPCs don’t need fancy pathing logic.
That’s optimal if you want to find the best path to a destination, but NPCs milling about a town don’t need the best path, they just need to move toward their goal more or less. And most go on a mostly fixed route, so you can just store the ideal path in memory and let the NPC evade up to some distance from that path.
This makes it a lot more friendly to do a multi-threaded implementation since you don’t need to figure out collision avoidance until it’s about to happen, just look a few steps ahead and course correct as needed.
Enemies should use proper pathing, but NPCs don’t need to be anywhere near that sophisticated.
But I have no idea what they’re actually doing under the hood, it’s just concerning that it gets slow when the player moves without interacting with any NPCs.
Yeah but with how optimal the game is are they really not using waypoints for jobber npcs already? This game runs extremely well. That seems like a hell of an oversight. Thats why i figured the pathfinding was baked in somewhere higher up or something.
Edit: I really don’t think it is pathing. These models have insane LoD. I’m thinking they tuned it since D:OS2 but its the same engine. I bet its just compounding factors of high polygons, environmental effects (the earthquakes) and NPCs just existing in high number on top of that. There is more than double the amount of NPCs inside the city than anywhere else in the game.
In the Digital Foundry review, they saw huge performance dips when just running in small circles, when standing still had no impact. As in, on a high end system, performance dropped from ~90FPS to mid-60s, just by moving in a tight circle (i.e. not enough to actually move the camera).
That sounds a lot like pathing to me, though other things could certainly be causing it.
It just seems like something there is poorly optimized and it shows when there are a lot of NPCs around.
And the game essentially uses last gen tech (DX11, no RTX, performance drop on Vulkan, etc), so it’s not pushing the boundaries all that much, so it’s probably not fully optimized. It should be feasible to optimize it to at least not get FPS dips when moving vs standing still in towns, if not get a bit better performance on older CPUs (e.g. Zen 2 CPUs like 3600 and whatever is in the Steam Deck). It runs pretty well, it they could probably get a bit more.
Pushing the boundaries of the engine is different than pushing the boundaries of the industry. Maybe it could be the pathfinding. But movement doesn’t necessarily mean its pathfinding. I’m sure transforming all those polygons costs more computationally than pathfinding.
But why only when the player is moving? Surely the NPCs are also moving all the time, so just moving the player and maybe nudging the party members (so like 4 new characters moving?) shouldn’t drop frames by ~30%. Something seems off there.
I hope they figure it out and patch it, because it would really impact the experience on lower end hardware, like the Steam Deck (i.e. stable 30 FPS vs stutters in the late game).
I had really low expectations for this show, but after watching it, I was pleasantly surprised at how good it was. Yeah, sure they changed up everything and the “story”, but their adaptation was an entertaining and fun ride.
(Side note: I thought the plant lady was going to be Grasshopper haha)
I was originally in this camp from the very underwhelming launch it had. Now though, they’ve spent 7 years actually completing the game they started and beyond and its definitely worth the money. Incredibly, all of the content you see in the video is included in the base game, there’s no paid DLCs at all despite the years of work that’s gone into it now.
Reminder that they don't mean telemetry as in spying on you for intel. Gamers Nexus confirmed with the intel gpu lead that the telemetry is JUST for capturing data to display much more in depth statistics that you can't get from something like rivatuner.
It software is open source, hopefully it can be confirmed.
It is but a GitHub issue mentions that the repo has stuff that was pushed 8 months ago and an intel representative said they should fix that within a week.
Intel® PresentMon works with Intel® Arc™ graphics cards and Intel® Core™ processors but with other hardware vendor options as well. And because PresentMon continues to be an open-source utility, it can be integrated into third party applications.
If I understand it correctly the sdk was already “released” but there is a public user friendly release with gui. Also a brand new feature called gpu idle, and overlay.
They added GPU busy metric, which paired with frametime can help understand when the game is CPU limited and when it’s GPU limited/balanced with CPU’s request load. This can help figure out right settings and textures to use to optimally use your system resources, or understand what bottleneck is causing game to stutter.
It looks amazing! That said, I backed The Repopulation and Star Citizen on Kickstarter…I’m hesitant to put my money into “hopefully a game” when I can use it now on released games.
they dont expect to be funded only by kickstarter unless they get like ten times the goal but its more to see if people want that sort of game to possibly help securing publisher funding or just fund themselves like they have done the years until now
I’ve tried 3-4 times to get into this game, and I guess it’s just not for me. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be really proud of what they’ve managed to turn the game into. It looked pretty…rough 7 years ago but with a bit of patience and a lot of goodwill and hard work they’ve turned it into a success story.
Same. It’s very broad, but not very deep. I’m generally a deep-system type gamer. Gimme Factorio or it’s kin. I really get frustrated with NMS’s implementation of logistics and stuff. I just gave up. It’s an explorer’s game and I’m not an explorer type.
You’re not kidding. Legit looks like someone just took the models from StarCraft and then freshened them up. Protoss Terran Zerg, all of them. In fact you could have removed the context and just showed me the raw footage and I would have arrived at the same conclusion, that it was a mod.
I think that the game exists because all the SC2 pros decided that the game is starting to become a bit too old and blizzard cannot be trusted with making games anymore so they gotta make starcraft 3 themselves.
You’re not wrong. Any and all faith I had in Blizzard went away over the course of the past decade, with it evaporating completely during the past 3 years. I don’t even want to think how they’ll muck up SC3 at this rate.
It wasn’t a scam, it just kinda sucked. They fixed the suck.
That’s exactly what I want to see from a game dev. If the game sucks, make it right. Ideally don’t release a sucky game, but the next best is to fix the sucky game.
Never has a teaser got my interest so much in the first few seconds only to slam it to zero just seconds later.
Starts off with a nice thematic shot of something that could be Black Hawks flying over Fallujah … oh yeah, we get a Black Hawk Down remake, gotta go clear my calendar. A few shots of stealth gameplay … well, not what the original was about, but why not?
“Recon arrow, out!” … “Powering up, let’s do this!” … and a dude outrunning a tank in a shot where everyone fires only tracer rounds. Meh.
Why does every studio have to release the same game over again? A while ago it was all battle royales, now everyone is releasing hero shooters.
Just don’t call it Delta Force then if it’s not a real sequel to the originals. This is more like Overwatch: Fallujah.
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