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woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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Because they are developing the game for windows first since that’s where 93% of the customers are.

Why not develop for Windows and Steam Deck equally then?

Are you even thinking this through?

Definitively more than you.

woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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It’s really not?

The quality of Proton is not the point, the point is that they’re not dogfooding their own platform.

You guys making the same comments over and over again. I can literally paste previous replies because nobody of you cares to actually read.

woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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They are going to add Linux support the game is in alpha.

That’s not day 1. Why do I need to say it over and over again? It’s not like I spelled it out already: CS2 had a Windows-only pre-release and the Linux port was only added to the formal release, resulting in the Linux port being very buggy to this day! Their own platform needs to be the top tier development target from day 1. How is that difficult to understand?

woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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Valve is probably perfectly happy with just making sure proton compatibility is good.

Valve is happy that games break all the time? Yeah, sure buddy. If anybody at Valve was happy with that, maybe that Microsoft agent should lose their job.

They don’t expect developers to change their whole workflow to cater to the Deck

The point of cross-platform middleware is specifically not to “change their whole workflow”. 🙄

that’s why they’ve done so much work with proton.

Valve is also doing much work with SDL and so on to target native development, that’s why it’s embarrassing that they don’t target their own platform. All successful platform holders treat their platform as 1st class citizens: Sony targets PlayStation from day 1 of game development, so does Nintendo with Switch. Apple is not prioritizing Windows either.

Failing platforms are those where the platform vendor doesn’t even believe enough in it to properly support it. Since over a decade Microsoft makes ARM-based Surface devices and to this day Microsoft has ported not a single game, not even casual stuff like Minesweeper, over to Windows ARM. “Microsoft is perfectly happy with just making sure Prism compatibility is good” and yet emulated applications crash, perform worse, and result in battery drain. Similar with Steam Deck: The only way to ensure games perform to their best and don’t unexpectedly break on an update is proper SteamOS native versions.

woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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No. Development occurs on windows machines

“Development occurs on” and “development target” are different things.

It’s obviously going to be steam deck day one.

Sure, like CS2 is on Steam Deck since day one and still broken.

woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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A yes, because Steam Deck is the most optimal platform to play competitive FPS

That’s not even the argument. The argument is that Valve’s own game teams should be able to support their own hardware.

woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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Proton means that developers can just write games for Windows and expect to make that version compatible with Linux with minimal changes as opposed to making a native Linux version.

SteamOS is Valve’s own OS. Steam Linux Runtime is Valve’s own development target. Steam Deck is Valve’s on hardware. It’s a stable platform that doesn’t move constantly like chasing Windows compatibility through reverse engineering. Win32 is not Java, Proton is not OpenJDK. Windows games on Proton break constantly. The only way into the future is proper SteamOS versions, not buggy afterthoughts.

As a developer myself, I know that it doesn’t make sense for a developer in most cases to write a Linux version and support it when the Linux user base is tiny by comparison. It happened with OS/2 and it can happen again.

Steam Deck is not OS/2. Steam Deck is more like a video game console and needs to be treated like one with proper ports instead of broken shit like CS2, especially for Valve’s own games. Portal on Nintendo Switch works better than CS2 on Steam Deck because it’s a proper port, not an afterthought.

Stop repeating the same false arguments to me over and over again, as repeating those would make them right. If anyone of you would ever be put in charge of PlayStation, that entire business would collapse within months.

Not to mention Linux game developer tooling pales in comparison to Windows with DirectX.

Maybe Valve should improve that for their own platform then instead of relying of tools by a hostile competitor. It’s just dumb.

woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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I expected this from the start once proton was introduced, just not from Valve themselves… Welp. It’s now inevitable.

Clueless people act as if Proton was like Java, a “write once, run everywhere” environment…🙄

woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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They are beta testing, remove the OS issue and they van focus on games issues

SteamOS needs to be day 1 development target for all things at Valve. With your attitude we end up with CS2 broken on Steam Deck until now.

woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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If that studio’s developers are most familiar with Windows tools and APIs, then the path to a successful game would be letting them use those, at least to begin with.

So you’re saying, if Sony or Nintendo made a new console and contracted an outside developer, that developer should develop for Windows instead of the new consoles because they are unfamiliar with the new tools and APIs? Why even develop using Source Engine (2)? Why not also give in to a total Unreal Engine monopoly because that’s what every game developer knows? CS2 on Steam Deck is bad right now.

woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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It’s almost as if they are a for-profit company that doesn’t want to waste development time on an OS that have significantly fewer players to sell to and will choose to optimize for Linux as an afterthought.

Yeah, why would Nintendo develop for Switch or Sony for PlayStation when it’s clearly a waste of development time and and money and Windows is clearly the superior development target?

I’m not being biased, just speaking truths.

No, you speak nothing of truth regarding game development has a platform holder.

woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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I fully expect them to port Deadlock to Linux once it hits beta or release.

Like CS2 that has severe bugs on Steam Deck to this day? www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PycIuATXaw

woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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with Linux gaming I think it’s great enough that it runs with Proton and no one is blocking it.

You clearly missed many news from the gaming sphere.

remember that the game is in a closed alpha state, so at no point this should be taken as “Valve not dogfooding their platform

Yes, it is. Sony is developing their games for PlayStation first and Windows as an afterthought. I’m not saying that Windows should be an afterthought but SteamOS should be a development target from day 1.

All we can do right now is wait and see.

Grab your Steam Deck, install Counter-Strike 2, and look at the state of Source2 games right now.

woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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Runs perfectly fine on Linux though

The quality of Proton is not the point, the point is that they’re not dogfooding their own platform. They’ll likely follow the same course as CS2: Lengthy prerelease test exclusively on Windows, then a few days before actual release someone will port the game to Linux/SteamOS and release day is the first day of the Linux port’s alpha test.

How can anybody at Valve expect game publishers to take Steam Deck and SteamOS seriously if the developer of the actual platform is not dogfooding it with their own games?

woelkchen, do games w Deadlock (Valve's Unannounced Title) Passes 12k Peak Players in Closed Alpha
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Somebody needs to tell the games team that they make their own operating system. This is Windows-only. WTF.

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