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halcyoncmdr, do games w After GOTY pull, Clair Obscur devs draw line in sand: 'Everything will be made by humans by us'
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Depends on the exact scenario.

We’re also dealing with language differences. English is not the developer’s first language. What may seem a clear sentence to a native speaker, could be easily misinterpreted/mistranslated to something similar, but different enough that the answer changes.

It seems that the AI use was early in development, and limited to temporary placeholders that were going to be replaced. Since they were patched out within days of release, that seems to imply they already had replacement assets on hand, they were just missed during final checks before release.

The answer from the devs also changed prior to the awards show that implies that they may have had an updated interpretation of the qualification question or answer. If they thought the question was about AI use in the final product, then accidentally missing a placeholder swap shouldn’t be disqualifying. Likewise, early experimentation with the tech and then deciding not to use it probably should not disqualify either. But if the qualification is a hard yes/no with absolutely no context or consideration whatsoever, then that’s a different outcome, and hence them clarifying for the awards team.

Personally I think the hard limit without any room for consideration or interpretation is a shit qualification. Especially considering that isn’t really the case for most awards. Look at the definition of “indie” for example. There’s a half dozen different interpretations people have ranging from having to be self published, avoiding just large publishers, or just the publisher not having creative influence. That’s a lot of interpretation comparatively.

halcyoncmdr, do games w After GOTY pull, Clair Obscur devs draw line in sand: 'Everything will be made by humans by us'
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We’re not talking about a development team of 100+ artists here and a company forcing them to work 80 hour crunch weeks leading up to launch like much of the industry.

I don’t know exactly how their 30 or so team members break down for specialties, but I’m willing to bet we’re talking maybe 5 asset artists. Making the tens or hundreds of thousands of concept art pieces, and in game assets. Their time is finite and much better spent working on final assets than making placeholders that will just be replaced later. Experimenting with AI and dripping a placeholder in during month 6 that never gets touched again, and the final asset is made but missed when swapping them in at the end of development isn’t exactly damning

Literally removing work from a human(concept artist)

It’s not really “removing” work from a human, it’s utilizing the time of a very small and limited team more wisely. The AI didn’t replace a human, there was never going to be an additional person hired just to make that placeholder, at worst it just let the existing artists spend more time making final assets.

halcyoncmdr, do games w After GOTY pull, Clair Obscur devs draw line in sand: 'Everything will be made by humans by us'
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It was released with the original placeholder AI assets, but patched out within 5 days. It’s pretty clear that they just missed replacing those assets prior to release.

I don’t know exactly which assets, or exactly how many… but from several article it seems one of them was a newspaper only used in the prologue, that no one would notice without directly looking at it up close, which 99.9% of people would never do, and could easily be overlooked doing final testing for game breaking issues prior to release.

And the failure to properly disclose could easily be explained by them messing around. Early in development, deciding not to use AI, and then forgetting about it. Which also explains it being left in for release accidentally. Updated assets were clearly made, just never replaced.

The disqualification had nothing to do with the assets being there for the release, it was solely about development as mentioned in every statement from the awards. Meaning even if it hadn’t been there at release, they still would have been disqualified. Hard criteria like that which disqualifies any sort of context or consideration is not fair. Especially when we’re talking about cutting edge technologies that teams will obviously be experimenting with before making decisions.

halcyoncmdr, do games w Indie Game Awards Disqualifies Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Due To Gen AI Usage
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Yes. It was reported basically everywhere.

gamerant.com/clair-obscur-expedition-33-no-doge-p…

Want to move that goalpost again?

halcyoncmdr, do games w Indie Game Awards Disqualifies Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Due To Gen AI Usage
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Cool… Generative AI used for placeholders during development that are replaced by actual artist work for the release is the definition of responsibly.

Given these assets were replaced within days of release here… Definitely seems like placeholders that were just missed during the final checks before release.

halcyoncmdr, do games w Indie Game Awards Disqualifies Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Due To Gen AI Usage
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And yet someone completed the game without parrying a single time.

halcyoncmdr, do games w Indie Game Awards Disqualifies Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Due To Gen AI Usage
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They didn’t just replace the art later. It was intended to be placeholder art from the beginning. And was replaced 5 days after release. That tells me that they just missed replacing those temporary assets among tens of thousands of assets before release.

Using GenAI for something temporary that’s not intended to be final seems like the perfect use case for it. Especially on a small team where artist time is much better spent working on the final assets.

halcyoncmdr, do games w Indie Game Awards Disqualifies Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Due To Gen AI Usage
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That’s exactly the takeaway I got from it as well.

It seems most likely that those were placeholders that were supposed to be replaced before release but were missed. Once they realized that some were missing, they got them replaced and pushed the update.

GenAI being used for placeholder stuff is arguably the perfect use case, especially for small studios without massive art teams.

halcyoncmdr, do astronomy w NASA completes Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope construction
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Of course not.

Nancy Grace Roman

There’s a First, Middle, and Last name there.

Do you just ignore words when reading? Is everyone on the Internet illiterate? Because comment sections everywhere seem to indicate it’s a very high percentage.

halcyoncmdr, do games w Games that I finished this year so far. Probably the best year of gaming for me since 2007
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I totally forgot about the Guardians game. I don’t think I ever finished it. Got lost in the hustle and bustle of life.

Gonna have to go back through that.

halcyoncmdr, do games w Our first look at the Steam Machine, Valve’s ambitious new game console
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While the main cooling system is important, the thermal interface material they pick is also a big deal with systems intended to not be user serviced and with long lasting lifetimes like consoles… It honestly depends a lot on what TIM they decided to go with. Traditional thermal pastes are cheap but almost always dry out after just a few years causing much higher temps. Liquid metal is great, but more expensive and you must design it right, vertical orientation can cause leakage if not properly designed (some laptops end up having issues because of this). Phase change material is probably the optimal middle ground for ease of installation, and simplified design.

halcyoncmdr, do games w Assassin's Creed is a "forever brand" because Ubisoft supported huge risks with it, ex director says: "Whereas, say, EA, you get these awful execs and they never made games and they came from toothpaste companies"
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Black Flag was a mediocre Assassin’s Creed game, at best. It was a phenomenal pirate game

halcyoncmdr, do games w We could have lived in a world where Hideo Kojima made a Matrix game, if only someone had told him he was offered to make one
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To be fair, those are the exception to the general rule that licensed games suck.

And the LEGO games are sort of cheating. They have no right to be as good as they are.

halcyoncmdr, do games w Ex-PlayStation boss says the games industry is "littered" with Fortnite clones and "people trying to do Overwatch with different skins," but keep dreaming if you're just trying to get "big sacks of money"
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Nearly everything is a derivative of something from before. Occasionally something new comes up though. I don’t remember anything like Getting Over It seems to have created the Foddian game genre for example. And while Balatro uses relatively normal cards for its base, the gameplay itself is unique.

halcyoncmdr, do games w Rock Band 4 to be delisted on tenth anniversary following the expiration of its licenses
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This is one of the weird aspects of games that seems to make no sense because of archaic laws that never entered the 20th century, nevermind the 21st. It seems to be about manufacturing new copies of the already made game, not selling them. So it only affects digital sales, I would assume because of their “creation” on a new sale, every physical game copy was already manufactured and out there, nothing changes there.

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