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EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

you’ll realise that it is impossible to determine the quality of a video game in a purely objective way.

The only subtle thing here is the subtle change in your wording from simple “review” to “determine the quality.” I agree with you there, as whether you think something is good or bad is subjective.

But it appears you realize Im right, which is why you’re trying to reframe it. Why is it hard for you to admit you were wrong? It’s okay, no one is perfect.

EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

There’s nothing in the definition of review that requires it to be subjective. It’s shocking that you didn’t even stop to look it up to first figure out if this is accurate.

EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

Are you arguing that alpha testing is not considered in house testing? It’s literally the definition.

The alpha phase of the release life cycle is the first phase of software testing (alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet, used as the number 1). In this phase, developers generally test the software using white-box techniques. Additional validation is then performed using black-box or gray-box techniques, by another testing team. Moving to black-box testing inside the organization is known as alpha release.[1][2]

Alpha software is not thoroughly tested by the developer before it is released to customers. Alpha software may contain serious errors, and any resulting instability could cause crashes or data loss.[3] Alpha software may not contain all of the features that are planned for the final version.[4] In general, external availability of alpha software is uncommon for proprietary software, while open source software often has publicly available alpha versions. The alpha phase usually ends with a feature freeze, indicating that no more features will be added to the software. At this time, the software is said to be feature-complete. A beta test is carried out following acceptance testing at the supplier’s site (the alpha test) and immediately before the general release of the software as a product.[5]Wikipedia link

I’m sure parts of the game are well polished. I’m sure some only release a small part of the game for advertising reasons. They are doing something different here maybe. I don’t really know. But this is such a non-issue that the outrage over it is laughable. Not surprising, at all, however, considering I’ve been a gamer all my life and I know how unreasonable we can be.

EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

es dumb consumers exist, but that isn’t a free pass for corporate exploitation or false advertising.

Except I didn’t see where they advertised that people were going to be able to join the alpha with no restrictions, and I don’t see this as “exploitation” at all. People want to play these games first. I don’t get why, but they do. And they are being given that opportunity.

EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

There’s nothing in this wording that implies anything more than “don’t negatively review us”

It’s says subjective negative reviews. it seems if you say “It kept crashing” or “this feature wasn’t working” or “this feature was super bugged” those aren’t subjective.

EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

I actually looked into the game because I didn’t know anything about it and figured I should inform myself a bit.

What makes this whole overreacting raging we are seeing here even more funny and ridiculous is that the game is going to be FTP. So basically, once released, anyone can go and try it out, for free, to see whether or not it’s worth any investment by them.

So, yeah, if someone is offering you to pre-order this game, I definitely suggest you not buy it because they are trying to scam you.

EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

This is a slippery slope fallacy “if they are allowed to do something mild and legal now. . .well, it will just lead to terrible violation of our rights in the future!”

What undermines your point is that if they try to put these illegal restrictions on many people, violating their basic rights, then they are opening themselves up to large class action lawsuits.

EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

Your linked to an article literally starts by asking “What kinds of contracts might not hold up in court?” and then goes on to explain this as one of these as “For example, a court will never enforce a contract promoting something already against state or federal law.” Basically proving my point.

And I’m universally downvoted, and you’re universally upvoted. Lemmy users crack me up.

EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

Marvel want free bug testers, and to get the hype train moving - but don’t want to pay for actual testers who work quietly, and want only positive commentary. Marvel want an astroturf campaign to push preorders, not actual genuine discussion or bug testing.

Okay, then the problem is with the people doing the work for free, not with Marvel realizing that people will do it for free.

The issue is that the people who do this work for free are not like you, and want that early access. . .either for strictly personal reasons or because it benefits them financially (such as is the case with streamers).

EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

Your game isn’t actually ready for alpha

Alpha testing is, by definition, testing on unreleased code. Even though they are offering the testing to some select group of people, it’s still considered un-released.

The only reason you’d make someone sign a legally binding document saying “you’re not allowed to say bad things” is because you know there are bad things to say.

False dichotomy. There is also the possibility that you realize, from experience, that when you start introducing users, unexpected shit happens.

They could do the alpha testing completely internally, or they could give some super fans pre-access with more restrictions on what they are allowed to say. Would I prefer they be able to speak their mind? Of course. But I get why the company would do this and it’s really a complete non-issue.

Sure, they could do an NDA, or they could also get free publicity. It’s reasonable for them to choose the latter, and if you don’t like it, it’s reasonable for you to wait for release.

Preventing people from talking about the bad things won’t magically get rid of the bad things.

Yeah, that’s pretty clearly not the point. They presumably want to fix the bugs without them counting against them in the court of public opinion.

EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

I agree with you. But this is basically a non-issue, which is my point. If you don’t want to be restricted, don’t play the alpha. Why is this so hard for some people to accept? Again, we aren’t talking about a released product, but some playtesting.

EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

The CRFA.

EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

I understand exactly why they are doing it; what you say comes as no surprise. It’s 100% part of my point.

Coming from software development, including a small amount of game development, I understand how trash alphas can be, especially if you introduce users/players. So it seems reasonable that if the point of the alpha is to flush these bugs/exploits out, which is the point, then restricting the players who are allowed in from disparaging a far from complete game is not some ridiculous overreach everyone here seems to want it to be.

EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

Protected by the law.

EatATaco, do games w Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

Sure, more reasonable and fair. But this is neither unreasonable nor particularly unfair, as long as it’s restricted to the alpha. If you find it bad, don’t play it, and understand that what opinions come out of alpha are biased by this. I would recommend taking all reviews that come out of any alpha with a huge grain of salt.

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